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scosman 2 days ago

I've been using it more and more. Feels like Opus 4.8, in the best possible way.

johnnyApplePRNG 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I'm starting to think Opus 4.8 is significantly smaller than most people assume.

If it's significantly larger than GLM 5.3 (I've heard some insane guesstimates out there like upwards of 5T params or more), that would prove rather embarrassing for Anthropic.

jasonjmcghee 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I hear the argument here, but isn't it possible it has dramatically more knowledge and when you get outside the common cases many of us use it for, it'll have completely different capabilities?

I feel like most benchmarks cluster on a reasonably limited area of human knowledge

everforward 2 days ago | parent [-]

Sort of depends on how well the core reasoning works. It’s not a big effort to connect an LLM to a search provider.

You do pay for the tokens, but in theory on a smaller model each token is cheaper.

r_lee 2 days ago | parent [-]

honestly using search isn't that great, you mostly get SEO slop, it usually won't help the model ask the right questions

everforward 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

When I messed with it I used Kagi's search and I didn't have that issue (not claiming they're the best, they're the only one I tried).

They filter their results through their AI, though, so you get a sort of meta-summary of the top few results. It did well with geopolitical news stuff, but I've not tried a hard science sort of query.

dannyw 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Try Parallel.ai (no affiliation). Instead of keywords, the model writes objectives.

nkmnz 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems like there is tradeoff between model size and the need for tool use, which - in my mind - is quite costly in terms of time and tokens. More detailed world knowledge requires an exponential increase in model size, but most knowledge can be acquired ad hoc using search or database queries. This will fail for questions where the model lacks the knowledge to ask the right questions, but maybe this could be solved by a handful small inquiry models with different knowledge encoded in their weights?

DenisM 2 days ago | parent [-]

Or calling into a full-knowledge model “I’m facing problem x, how do I ask myself the right questions?”

I should do that myself, come think of it.

hgoel 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the Western labs are burning through funding and compute to maintain the lead at any cost, efficiency be damned.

scosman 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can't compare models released 6+ months apart. GLM 5.2 was same architecture as 5.3 and not nearly as good. Takes time to build frontier intelligence and distill down to smaller sizes.

walrus01 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's not that GLM5.3 in full precision unquantized is any smaller, it's 141 * 5.4GB files at approx 770GB which is about the same size as 5.2.

throwdbaaway 2 days ago | parent [-]

Hold on.. the routed experts are in FP8 now? Previously they were in BF16. Nice, this shall cut my download time by half!

petu 2 days ago | parent [-]

This time they just made FP8 "default", accompanied by "-BF16" model/page (previously "-FP8" was released alongside).

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BoorishBears 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4.7 and 4.8 are smaller than 4.5 and 4.6

(And 4.5 was smaller than 4)

re-thc 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> that would prove rather embarrassing for Anthropic

Not really, in that you just work with different constraints.

Anthropic and US labs in general has maybe 100s to 1000s of GPUs per person to experiment. Zai and Chinese labs in general have 1-10.

The priorities are different.

surgical_fire 2 days ago | parent [-]

And the Chinese labs still make models that are easily as good as the US labs.

Rather embarrassing indeed.

InsideOutSanta 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I really like how it doesn't have that Claude talk. It just does the thing without Claude's "load-bearing honesty." It's probably my favorite model to interact with, even if it isn't the best or most reliable.

a012 2 days ago | parent [-]

My second favorite model by now is GLM 5.3 flash which is very capable of day to day task. I use it as the main model and GLM 5.3 for task that is more complex

amelius 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you use it to write HTML/CSS? Javascript? C++? There's a huge difference in ways people use models and if you are not specific about it then your comment means nothing, unfortunately.

mlnj 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have been only using GLM models since last December and have had the best experience without any drama about tokens and geopolitical restrictions. The quality has been great and I am doing more and more with the latest 5.3 and am really excited that consumer hardware will develop in the next few years where I can run these at home.

MaxikCZ 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> in the best possible way

You implying its better than opus 5?

matheusmoreira 2 days ago | parent [-]

Pretty much anything is better than Opus 5.

jonplackett 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you give ant more details how you are you using it? Which harness / service / what you’re building with it etc?

scosman 2 days ago | parent [-]

z.ai coder plan, both in opencode and direct API access. I use it for my side projects like https://github.com/scosman/Biscotti (on-device meeting transcription and summaries).