| ▲ | the_bear 7 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In Google's defense, they weren't the ones that championed the "everything must be an app" movement. My memory of the 2010s is that Google (and while they were relevant, Palm) pushed cross-platform web apps, but Apple ran a successful marketing campaign to convince everyone that everything on mobile must be a native app for reasons[1]. So we end up with a walled garden of native apps that must be approved by and pay a tax to the company that makes the OS. The result is that instead of building one app that works on all platforms, software companies need to build three apps: Web, iOS, and Android. I'm sympathetic to why most software companies (including my own) choose to just build a web app wrapped in a native wrapper. If a company does decide to build a totally separate iOS app, I dunno, it seems reasonable not to build support for every single niche feature that the web app has. I'm not sure I get the outrage here, especially since Google has a long track record of preferring web apps to native. [1]The "reasons" primarily are that Apple refused to support PWAs, hamstrung mobile Safari, and refused to allow third-party browsers. So while it's true that native apps can offer a better experience than mobile web apps, that's mostly just because Apple artificially restricts web apps. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | moritonal 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Oh don't, I remember being at a Google PWA Conference where they showed a world where you walked up to a coffee machine which served you a website over some local Bluetooth beacons, you asked for a coffee and it made it. It was such a hopeful concept looking back. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | thewebguyd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Even Apple, before caving in, didn't want apps. On the original iPhone there was no SDK, Jobs' "sweet solution" to expanding functionality was web apps pinned to the home screen. Everyone complained, loudly, and they caved in and launched the app store. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | internet2000 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> [1]The "reasons" primarily are that Apple refused to support PWAs, hamstrung mobile Safari, and refused to allow third-party browsers. So while it's true that native apps can offer a better experience than mobile web apps, that's mostly just because Apple artificially restricts web apps. This is disingenuous. Quoting Steve Jobs himself: > We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers. > This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms. Originally about Adobe's Flash, but can apply with no editing (!) to Google Chrome :) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | top_rooster 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
In fairness though, I think its pretty clear that mobile is the future. Something like 40% of Gen Z only access things by mobile. (Source: https://www.emarketer.com/content/search-behavior-being-rede...) So in the future, when you have those three versions you need to build, its starting to make sense to have the mobile version be the full functionality version. Although, I guess it would be crazy to go to a link on your computer and be told it only works on mobile. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ignoramous 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> My memory of the 2010s is that Google (and while they were relevant, Palm) Interestingly, Palm (webOS) & Microsoft (Sidekick / WebTV) folks ended up creating/shaping Android. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Mistletoe 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I remember the “There’s an app for that” commercials well. I remember screaming at my tv that we already had a name for that- a program. https://youtube.com/watch?v=szrsfeyLzyg&pp=0gcJCYsCo7VqN5tD&... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | p3rls 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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