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napolux 12 hours ago

Autistici/Inventati is an Italian collective, active since around 2001, that runs free digital services for activists, grassroots groups and anyone who wants to communicate without being profiled.

It provides email accounts, mailing lists, blogs, websites, chat and VPN access.

flumpcakes 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is it truly anyone, or only anyone that politically aligns with them?

culi 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Anyone that politically aligns with them. They say that explicitly:

> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism

They don't receive any money for this. It's 100% volunteer services.

p-e-w 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Then they are an activist group, not an “infrastructure provider” as claimed elsewhere in this thread, and holding them responsible for what their members do with the accounts they give them seems entirely fair.

culi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You want them to be "held accountable" for supporting groups that don't align with the ideology of the US whitehouse.

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dudefeliciano 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Obviously not to fascists, and if you look at their website they make it very clear that you need to align ideologically and explain why and how you will use their services

nonethewiser 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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teiferer 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do the US then also sanction themselves? Cause the numer of people they have killed in that region of the globe since 1984 easily exceeds that number by orders of magnitude.

And the platform hasn't done any killing. They merely provide email etc. Are we going to sanction road builders too because a murderer has driven on their road since 1984?

isityettime 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The US sanctions the PKK because we're obliged to do so by our NATO ally Turkey, which gave rise to the PKK by carrying out a genocide against its local Kurdish population.

Meanwhile the SDF, the armed wing of the PYD, follows the same ideology as the PKK and was trained in military tactics by the PKK, and was among our chief allies against ISIS. They fought alongside US soldiers and we even supplied them with small arms.

The history of the PKK is complicated and the state they struggle against has a long history of genocide and (more recently) outright dictatorship. The relation of these countries to the PKK isn't ultimately determined by the PKK's history, morality, ideology, or even the use of terrorist tactics per se.

If you're curious about the bigger picture, there's actually an organized movement whose aim is to "de-list the PKK" as a terrorist organization, and that's probably a good place to start: https://www.peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/activities/delist-t...

There are also some books and some academic papers on the history of the PKK and their ideology. Those written by independent academics are generally neither fully condemnatory nor exculpatory towards the PKK, but give a clear sense of how the term "terrorism" and its use is at least contestable, geopolitical, etc. And any familiarity at all with the history of the conflict makes it clear that the Turkish government is likewise guilty of state terror conducted against Kurdish civilian populations in Turkey for generations now.

john_strinlai 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

that would technically fall under the definition of "anyone", yes...

nonethewiser 11 hours ago | parent [-]

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john_strinlai 11 hours ago | parent [-]

it would be more reasonable, maybe, if the sanctions weren't primarily being used for the anti-encryption, anti-privacy crusade.

32aGh 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They should have hosted for Al Qaida and ISIS. Then they would have been invited to the White House and been sprayed with perfume by Trump:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/11/12/donald-trump-ahmed-al...

"Al-Sharaa, who until recently was known by his alias "al-Julani," was a longtime jihadist who was part of the ranks of organizations associated with al-Qaida and ISIS, and even orchestrated an attack against Israel – milestones that led to his designation as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist" by the US, with a reward of approximately $10 million for information leading to his capture. President Trump decided to lift the sanctions on al-Sharaa, who has transformed into a political leader following the collapse of the Assad regime in December, when he assumed Syria's presidency as the leader of Hayat Tahrir al-Sham."

MSFT_Edging 9 hours ago | parent [-]

This tidbit should show people how the line between "terrorist", "freedom fighter" and "useful lackey" is razor thin.

You should never take the "terrorist" label at face value.

The US funded the Mujaheddin in the 80s in Afghanistan. Their first moves upon receiving the weapons was to throw grenades through the windows if Girls' schools.

They began as the "useful lackey", and the US lost control of the Wahabist movement that was amplified to fight Communism. Then they were "freedom fighters" to the religious extremists, and "terrorists" to fight a war against.

In your own example, Al-Sharaa(a product of weaponizing Wahhabism) did actual terrorism, and then was able to squeeze back into the "useful lackey" position, like many "terrorist"s have before him.

cindyllm 9 hours ago | parent [-]

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Ar-Curunir 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This entire thread you’ve been talking about the PKK with very little evidence in support.

mrtesthah 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that more, or less, than the 1.2 million people Musk has killed so far with the illegal dismantlement of USAID? Musk aggressively advocates for the forcible ethnic cleansing of Europe.

I see people posting links to x.com which he uses to promote those views as well as platform other hate groups calling for violence and genocide against immigrants, trans people, etc.

Do acts gain moral validity under color of law alone?

Mythli 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

well USAID where I live finances regime changes and I guess these are very net negative in terms of lives killed.

You see it everywhere.

moron129 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't worry, the regime change part of USAID has been moved directly to Rubio in the State Department. Only the aid part has been removed.

jst1fthsdys 9 hours ago | parent [-]

NED bucks are flowing again too.

tremeouh0 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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deaux 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Does AWS do business with anyone? Like the Israeli government who has been labeled perpetrators of genocide by the UN ~1 year ago because they've killed tens of thousands in Palestine since 2023?