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sandcat_ 11 hours ago

To provide one additional anecdote: I came off escitalopram with no taper after taking it for about five years (10mg). I got brain zaps for a while, got very irritated at times, but largely was fine after a few weeks. Not downplaying the withdrawal effects for some people, but they’re not as catastrophic as this article suggests for many (perhaps most).

And overall I’m very glad I took it! It got me through a rough patch, and seems (in combination with therapy, and some life changes) to have rewired me a little. Symptoms I had for a decade prior have not returned. And I’m not sure I could have made those life changes without it.

Sadly my arachnophobia came back though. Oh well.

sheepscreek 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It can be catastrophic if one is managing family life, kids, taking them to and from activities on top of one’s own work. Then come misc stresses like tax returns, some expensive home repair, etc. Also dealing with depression without the anti-depressant. Switching mental health medication is no fun.

I am glad your experience was tolerable but it’s a whole arc and everyone’s tolerance + circumstances are unique which makes it all the more challenging (even for doctors).

KurSix 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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vermilingua 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I also went cold turkey from escitalopram about a decade ago, and my experience was not as tame as yours; my ideation kicked into 6th gear, with paranoia, nausea, and insanely intense and vivid dreams every night. That was while on a 10mg dose.

I have been on over-max-dose venlafaxine for nearly a year now. I think it has been an enormous improvement in my life on nearly every axis, but if I miss a dose by even a few hours I get zaps, confusion, and dizziness. What happens to me now if I become unable to access my meds for more than a couple of days really keeps me up some nights.

sitharus 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Withdrawal effects, like the beneficial effects, are highly individual. I had no withdrawal effects from escitalopram after being on it for a couple of years but I know people who’ve had the issues described in the article.

This isn’t a one size fits all area of medicine.

DataDaoDe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This. If there is one thing I've learned it is certainly not that you can generalize from yourself to others, especially for medication and its side-effects and withdrawal effects. I get so sick from taking novalgin that its a medical emergency (Agranulocytosis). Apparently, this occurs in like 1 case in a million. Conversely, I've heard of horrible side-effects or withdrawals from other medications where I experienced absolutely none of them.

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bsuvc 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's been years since, but I too had brain zaps coming off of it. It took a few months for those to go away.

I tried to describe it to my doctor and he seemed like he never heard of it before and sort of look at me like I was crazy, or at least that is what I sensed. But I ended up researching online and found it was a thing that happens.

seri4l 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your psychiatrist looked at you like you were crazy?

zzzeek 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Interesting is your doctor a general practitioner or a psychiatrist? A psychiatrist definitely knows about this stuff. GPs in my experience know almost nothing about anything beyond what seems like a script they operate from.

simiones 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You are assuming a lot about the competency of some specific doctor who knows where in the world...

ritcgab 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same experience early this year but I did halve the dosage to 5mg for a month, which was of near zero difference. But the full withdrawal? Oh man it is no joke.

lachlanj 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it possible for phobias to be treated with antidepressants or other medications? I need to look into this

nvarsj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can believe it. They are used for general anxiety disorder which I imagine can be kind of similar - an over-reaction to some stimuli.

sandcat_ 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure seems like it to me, but my doctor seemed bemused when I mentioned it to him and I don't think they're routinely prescribed for them. I reckon if I'd have paired the SSRI with some exposure therapy, it would have cured me of it long-term. I do have an additional phobia however (I'd rather not say which) and it didn't make any impact on that at all, so YMMV.

Worth noting as well that I had no expectation of any changes to my arachnophobia going in. It didn't even cross my mind.

sixeyes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

both my social phobia and my fear of dark almost vanished on venlafaxine. i take walks in the dark these days, what the fuck.

bgnn 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Exposure seems to be the best way out.

OptionOfT 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I tried to come off Trintellix. 4 weeks was fine. 5th week immense thoughts of doom. Had to take Xanax to bridge it kicking in again.

delichon 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good news, exposure therapy is quite effective for arachnophobia and is the first-line treatment. SSRIs do not have the same level of supporting evidence, and the effects are not as durable.

sandcat_ 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thanks, yeah, but if I’m honest I don’t really care enough to go through with it. I almost did once, years ago, the London Zoo have a programme.

I mentioned it though as one of the most stark changes I noticed after getting on an SSRI was pretty much immediately losing my fear of spiders. It was the first sign I had that showed it was doing something.

I used to literally, on occasion, launch my phone across the room if I was scrolling and came across a spider (sometimes drenching myself with coffee or whatever in the process!) and then one day, shortly after getting on it, I stumbled across some awful tarantula video or something and I just stared at it like “huh, why am I not freaking out”.

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pcblues 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exposure therapy does not work for everyone in all areas. Sometimes not at all.

Also, see the debate around discussing traumatic events in therapy immediately versus waiting a year.

Throwing people in the deep end doesn't always result in a swimmer :)

YMMV of course.

simiones 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> SSRIs do not have the same level of supporting evidence, and the effects are not as durable.

To the extent that we can measure depression, SSRIs have been widely proven in gold standard phase III clinical trials to help with the treatment of major depression. What exactly is supposed to be lacking in the supported evidence?

avianlyric 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

GP is talking about using SSRIs for treating arachnophobia, not depression.

KurSix 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What seems most broken is that medicine apparently didn't have a great way to predict which group you’d fall into, or much of a plan for the people who had a really bad time stopping. Also, RIP the anti-spider benefits