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forestrywat 3 hours ago

What do you mean "broken"? Autistic folks are not broken.

rickydroll an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I live with a child who spends entire days with videos on his tablet. We can't take him anywhere because if the trip differs from what we told him (trip duration or locations), we have to abort the trip to prevent a meltdown. His inflexibility means he can't hold a job or go to school or training. He can't do household chores without prompting and handholding. He will never live alone or have anything resembling a functional life. We have to make plans for how he will live after his mother and father die. We have to make space for his meltdowns that seem to come out of nowhere.

His mother nearly bankrupted herself paying for private school for kids on the spectrum. His parents sued the local school system because they didn't have any teachers who had any skill with autistic children. couldn't protect him from bullying and couldn't or wouldn't follow the IEP. (Note: this is one of those events that ruin retirement plans). The state claims to have resources for my partner and her child, but when they try to get help, the state says it didn't realize she would need that much help.

Then there is the never-ending struggle to get appropriate psychiatric and psychological help for him, and if you think it's hard to find a psychiatrist for ordinary mental illnesses, finding someone who knows how to deal with kids on the spectrum is almost impossible.

His disability has had a negative impact on my relationship with his mother. As she has to make room for her child's emotional outbursts, I make room for my partner's angst about having a child who will never function on his own. There is a big loss of day-to-day intimacy because you never know when you will have to put up an emotional barrier against his behavior.

yea, in my eyes, that counts as broken

djaro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Autism is a disability. The function of the brain to normally process social cues is broken. In the same way someone who is blind has broken vision, someone in a wheelchair has broken legs, and someone with ADHD has broken executive function.

This isnt a moral judgement, theres nothing wrong with being disabled, but it remaims a disability that many people struggle due to.

hoppp 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The disability exists when compared to neurotypicals but does not necessarily exist when compared to other autists.

As a comparison, if you put a bonobo with chimps the bonobo will be severely disabled socially, but it won't be when compared to other bonobos.

The fact that autists can communicate with each other does not fit typical models of disability. A blind person should be blind to another blind person.

mapontosevenths 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some autistic people have to wear helmets and spend all day rocking back and forth eating anything they find in the carpet. The are unable to care for themselves and depend fully on others.

These people are not operating within the nominal range of human behavior that might be classified as "functional."

Only 20-30% of adult Autistics can even hold a job. Not a 'good' job, mind you, ANY job.

hoppp an hour ago | parent [-]

90% of autistics are undiagnosed and work.

mapontosevenths 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I kind of thought that the fact I provided a number at all implied that it referred to the diagnosed, but the point that we can't know what we don't know is fair.

Still, my point stands. Most people who have it badly enough to get diagnosed can't hold jobs. Autism isn't some quirky personality trait that makes you a special cool kid on Tik-tok. It's a government recognized disability.

switchbak an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wouldn't that be "???"% of autistics are undiagnosed? Because ... they're undiagnosed?

hoppp an hour ago | parent [-]

The 90% is mentioned very commonly.

In Uk they made studies about this: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/up-to-90-of-middle-aged-and-older...

lemming 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

87.93% of statistics are completely made up on the spot.

nick__m 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There a point on the spectrum where someone cannot function without supervised housing and another one where you have non verbal autistic folks.

But I agree broken is not the right word for those poor folks because they were never functional to begin with!

raducu 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nobody said they were, but broken in terms of neurotypical circuitry, yes