Brave to say on one of the most autistic web forums that autistic people have something that's broken :|

SubiculumCode an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Autism is a spectrum. Neurodiversity within and outside of autism is both intrinsically valuable and extrinsically valuable to society. However, not all phenotypes of autism should be viewed as neurodiversity, but as harmful. There is only so much that society can do to make severe intellectual impairments less disabling without identifying a cure for the intellectual impairment. The debate between medical versus disability models, neurodiversity versus pathology, inevitably gets pushed by those that want to classify everything into clean essentialist boxes, but that, I do not believe, is a helpful way to view the world. Not every condition is a pathology, nor is every condition benign if only society would do more to make it less disabling.

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djaro an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, it's classified as a disability for a good reason.

I would guess that even if this platform has more autistic people due to being tech focused, autistic tech nerds and programmers are on the extreme end of high-functioning. Many low-functioning autistic people will never be able to have a job or live by themselves.

This is the same issue as high-functioning ADHD'ers saying "ADHD is my superpower", meanwhile people with severe ADHD do significantly worse than the general population in basically any metric, up to having a lower life expectancy.

This isnt to say its morally bad, theres nothing wrong with being autistic or having ADHD, but it is a disability. Just like someone who's deaf can live a totally happy life but still be disabled because they are not able to hear, someone with autism is disabled because they are not able to process social cues at the same speed, even if they are a great person and have a good life.

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forestrywat an hour ago | parent | next [-]

"Have a disability" and "broken" are not synonyms.

There's no judgement or moralizing in having a disability. Autism and ADHD like you mentioned are disabilities.

But the people who have them are not broken. Having a disability means some part of your life is more difficult. But that's very very different from you as a person are broken.

For example, if you can fix the environment and the person can now function equally to someone without a disability, then maybe it's the environment that's broken. If you can fix the social expectation and suddenly the person can function equally, then maybe the society is broken. Even if you cannot accommodate the person's needs, insinuating they are broken is not a great framing -- it creates a sense of pity rather than constructively looking at means to support them.

	▲	nick__m 25 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		What else but pity should I feel toward non verbal autistic people?

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seanhandley an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It depends, and that’s the point.

It’s such a wide concept. Essentially it boils down to how a brain processes sensory information and at what point it becomes overwhelmed.

We all have tolerances set at different gauges. It’s a disability if it’s at odds with the environment a person finds themselves in.

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iinnPP an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The problem is assuming the social cues are important at this point in evolution.

I'd say the opposite is true, frankly. I'm more worried about people's inability to follow simple instructions, like making a hamburger correctly.

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krapp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This isn't /g/ what are you talking about?