China’s surveillance state seems very successful at managing population emotions.

phainopepla2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

China has both carrot and stick. Living standards there have improved dramatically over the past few decades. Over here they use a smaller stick, but no carrot at all.

	▲	taurath 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The size of the stick here is in direct proportion to your proximity to power.

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linkregister an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The social credit system is regional, disjoint, and composed of a handful of various trackers. It can hardly be compared with public opinion.

Xinjiang is an exception; it is heavily publicly surveilled.

Internet censorship is strong. The public still has sway over government policy. When search terms are blocked, the public continues with euphemisms. The government is responsive to public opinion. The government does promote influencers with opinions favorable with CCP goals.

Chinese foreign policy is more dovish than public opinion, especially regarding Taiwan.

	▲	whatever1 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		`Chinese foreign policy is more dovish than public opinion, especially regarding Taiwan.` Dovish as in it will be annexed in the next decade and not next week?

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geraneum an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

False equivalence. Maybe that’s what they fool themselves with. Salivating, looking at China, not understanding the massive upward social mobility in recent time there. Why stop at China, look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.

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colordrops 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well they also at least give something back with infrastructure and general management of the country. None of that is happening in the US.

	▲	linkregister an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It's undeniable that Chinese transportation infrastructure is amazing, especially high-speed rail. Compared with the United States, public health care is less available in China. Retirement pensions are an order of magnitude lower (even with PPP adjustment), hence their world-leading savings rate. Social mobility is lower: getting a permit to access social services such as schools in a new city is difficult. Youth unemployment was above 25% the last time it was published; it is no longer disclosed. Rule of law is much less strong. Injustices committed by government officials towards citizens are unlikely to be addressed. Housing costs to income ratios are an order of magnitude worse in cities with job opportunities. The Chinese government has chosen to allocate capital toward industrial output at the expense of its citizens' welfare. It has succeeded at its goal. Perhaps in the future more capital allocation will be made to consumption. That is not the case at the current time.

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jampekka an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Murdoch et al aren't that bad either.