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lambda 2 hours ago

Many screen and voice actors are unionized, and the unions have been striking and bargaining specifcially over these points.

For example: https://sites.suffolk.edu/jhtl/2025/10/30/game-over-for-unau...

Software developers, unfortunately, have been convinced that they don't need to unionize, so have no collective bargaining power for dealing with situations like this.

arjie 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested. It’s how other people oppose buildings near them because it blocks their view. I really don’t want to stop other people from writing software. If they want to use AI to do it so be it.

That’ll be somewhat detrimental to me perhaps (which isn’t certain), but that’s okay. I’d rather attempt to adapt to a changing world.

lambda an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know that unions would necessarily negotiate for no use of AI. The SAG-AFRA deals don't preclude all use of AI; they just requre consent and negotiation in certain cases.

A union doesn't give you unilateral power; it just gives you a better seat at the bargaining table. Capital pools its resources to negotiate better as a single bloc; why shouldn't labor as well?

koe123 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thats great, although understand that unionizing protects the more vulnerable of also the software engineered. You not advocating for your rights also means weakening others. Is it still self interested to unionized from that perspective?

iAMkenough 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Personally, I just can’t find it in me to be that self-interested.

Yes, exactly. Do not advocate for yourself and your colleagues by joining them in a united front. Your voice does not matter. You will continue to adapt to widening wage disparities.

You will accept a pay cut and increased productivity goals and be happy to continue adapting as your cost of living keeps on climbing.

smallerize an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You may be surprised to know that residential areas in San Francisco are height limited, sometimes as short as 4 stories. They're not exactly anti-progress.

BeetleB an hour ago | parent [-]

Height limiting is anti-progress, which was his point.

smallerize an hour ago | parent [-]

Ok SF needs somewhat higher-density housing. But wanting something good for yourself and your peers isn't anti-progress. If the benefits accrue to only a few people, it's not progress.

BeetleB an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> But wanting something good for yourself and your peers isn't anti-progress.

It is if it makes it worse for everyone else.

petcat an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> SF needs somewhat higher-density housing

San Francisco needs less people, not cramming in more. USA needs more cities. The bay area is tapped out.

vlyan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The union demanded clear protections to ensure that recordings of actors’ performances could not be copied without consent and compensation.

>California’s legislation passed AB 2602 and AB 1836 in September 2024, prohibiting media companies from using AI to replicate actors’ performances without their consent.

it's a very reasonable law, but it is not the win you seem to believe it to be. the actors who refuse to consent will simply be passed over in favor of those who don't. no law will ever be passed to force companies to employ humans over machines, and if it were, the industry would move elsewhere. this is not without precedent :)

speech models have got so good so quickly that you can already replace a VA -- even an AAA prima donna -- with a teenager from Fiverr, who will simply bruteforce the right inflection.

r_lee 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's hilarious to see some people here go on about how they're proud to work so that they can be replaced

I think too many just expect that they can get by like before because they're a 10x engineer or whatever

zamadatix 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think I sit somewhere between these two descriptions. I've always supported unions and other "for the common good" type machinery. At the same time, I desperately also don't want to end up doing something the equivalent of barring the use of calculators just so I can toil away at a 9-5 crunching numbers more slowly instead. If AI really does replace all of the meaningful jobs we can do... great - I'd rather we make sure the spoils of that production are distributed than try to cling to preventing the technology from being used.

Inexplicably for the current moment, AI has so far actually meant I have even more to do instead of less. I expect that to change eventually... but man, is it a bit of whiplash to go from wondering if my job will be around in 10 years to starting the work day and being more backed up than ever. Doubly so since the rate of change does not seem to be very evenly distributed by tech role.

oblio 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I'd rather we make sure the spoils of that production are distributed than try to cling to preventing the technology from being used.

Spoiler alert: unions can help with that.

embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> it's hilarious to see some people here go on about how they're proud to work so that they can be replaced

To be fair, most of us spent our entire career trying our best to automate ourselves away one way or another, and always seen that as our job description.

12ags-18276 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that is just nerd heroism lore that indeed has always shown up in comments, that part is definitely true.

Some people dislike automation altogether and like the computational aspect. Most people seem to enjoy constructing virtual worlds and Rube Goldberg machines.

genericone 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

I thought HN was mostly people who hated doing 'the thing' and would procrastinate until they build a system that does 'the thing' and then they would work tirelessly to never do 'the thing' themselves ever again.

qwytw 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What options do you have? If you're the 10x engineer you'll be a 100x one and do just fine. Otherwise what can you do besides holding on as long as you can or start searching for a new career.

BeetleB an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Much of computing history has been about replacing humans. If they were proud of their work pre-LLMs, then at least they're being consistent!

It's kind of hypocritical to change just because it's now a different industry being impacted.

quaintdev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It won't happen to me is what I used to think

georgemcbay an hour ago | parent [-]

> It won't happen to me is what I used to think

In my experience this is what almost everyone thinks, right up to the point where it starts happening to them.

And it isn't just an individual blind spot, organizations suffer from the same thing in the sense that many companies will be happy to automate away all their labor to avoid paying the "human tax" without giving much thought to the fact that the need for the company itself will also be automated away soon after.

If you can replace nearly all of your workers with some cheap tokens and prompts, everyone else who previously would have been a customer can replace your whole company with the same thing.

12ags-18276 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Many people who promoted DEI when their corporations demanded it were fired later.

Useful idiots always go first after the goal is accomplished.

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isoprophlex 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And thus the developers remain, until this very moment, ionized.

boredatoms an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one has offered a union to join at any workplace Ive been at

Lagoon3384_SWE 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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catigula 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Half of them are from India or China. Racial diversity is known to be detrimental to unionization. In fact, Amazon used this exact strategy to bust nascent Somali unions.

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252481961/Amazons-Whole-...

12ahsgf an hour ago | parent [-]

Here is the obligatory scientific paper for those who cannot observe simple facts without a statistical analysis:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01762...