I speak only for myself and not the Emacs team, but ... IMO it shouldn't do this by default - unless there is a clear "winner" among all the choices.

IIRC, for eglot I had to install a Python language server. There are a bunch of them. Why would I want it to pick one by default?

I don't know if Emacs will ever have an IDE with TS and LSP working "out of the box" without some configuration. From my experience with Eglot, if it were enabled by default, it would confuse the heck out of some users who just want to, say, edit a Python script.

There are always opinionated releases like Doom Emacs or Spacemacs that can set whatever nice defaults you think should be there. Leave vanilla Emacs to be, well, vanilla. Emacs, while it can be a decent IDE, is not an IDE and shouldn't default to being one.

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KallDrexx 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I recently switched from full IDE to Emacs (wrote up about the things I learned at https://github.com/KallDrexx/emacs-zero-to-ide-journey/blob/...)

Typescript is a perfect example of why Emacs shouldn't own that setup. Typescript version 6 uses the "typescript-language-server" which is a totally stand alone nom package for lsp support.

Typescript 7, is incompatible with typescript-language-server and the compiler itself now acts as a lsp.

If Emacs handles that all by default it then needs to handle versioning of each language server itself across all operating systems, handle cases when different machines have different npm version managers, upgrades, etc...

It's not impossible but it's a lot to ask, and it requires more frequent version upgrades just to keep things in sync.

I couldn't even use the built in version of eglot and had to use ELPA version for bug fixes that affect c# LSP support that were committed to the package back in December.

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dleslie 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Emacs makes many opinionated choices about defaults; if it didn't, it would launch to little more than an elisp REPL by default.

What's important is that _you can change it_. Good defaults ensure that Emacs doesn't repel new users and casual users and users who are not interested in fiddling.

And this isn't a matter of color theme default, or font default; this is a shipped feature that _does not function_ without changes to the defaults! By default, it does not work.

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BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> if it didn't, it would launch to little more than an elisp REPL by default.

I'm confused. Have things changed? The scratch buffer it starts with is for writing elisp.

> this is a shipped feature that _does not function_ without changes to the defaults!

Do you know how many shipped features come with Emacs that don't function without changes to defaults?

A huge number of them! Stuff like hippie-expand, ibuffer, etc. This isn't something new - it's been that way for decades.

> Good defaults ensure that Emacs doesn't repel new users and casual users and users who are not interested in fiddling.

This has been argued to death forever. While even I think they can and should change some defaults, the reality is that Emacs as an ecosystem is doing just fine without so many new/casual users, and will continue to do so. They don't want to be something for everyone.

And while I don't have the latest Emacs, in my experience with eglot - it's simply not ready for the masses. I frequently get timeouts, and would often have to shut down and restart eglot. It's been a while since I had to, so perhaps they've fixed all the issues, but it's simply not as robust as what you'd get with other IDEs. I'd rather they address those issues than the ease of use.

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		It launches with a scratch buffer, menu bar with populated menus, a functional mini buffer, and so on. All of this is opinionated defaults and configurable with elisp. And yes, much of Emacs is broken out of the box and it's been that way a long while. That's not a good thing. Emacs isn't ready for the masses. Broken defaults, and a brittle experience once features are made working is standard. I've used Emacs for thirty years now. I don't recommend it to new users.