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cptcobalt 4 hours ago

If you haven’t experienced suica, it’s like magically fast. Faster than NFC, faster than Apple Pay, faster than tap to pay, faster than Disney magic bands, faster than your work badge. It absolutely floored me every time I used it in Japan and it’s a full payment transaction.

pknomad 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not only magically fast, but it's super useful. You can use it at vending machines + convenience stores anywhere (unless it's one of those old ones that only take cash/coins and print paper tickets) and at the shops as well.

People not in Japan/Singapore/Korea/China should experience what a proper transit card done looks like.

Tor3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've used a Suica card for many years now. I agree it's both fast and reliable. One summer I was crisscrossing Tokyo by train over several days, using the Suica card, so I got to see a LOT of commuters. Lots of people were in a hurry and would run through the gates (the default state is open, it closes quickly if your card is out of funds or some other problem). Running through the gates while quickly touching the card to the reader. I've done that a couple of times myself.

It's also useful in that you can pre-order a Shinkansen ticket, for example, and link that purchase to your Suica card, which you then use for the Shinkansen gate. If there are other fees (which there may be) they're just deducted from the money the card holds, as usual. Makes everything very simple.

For me a physical card is easier than using a phone. A phone is so much larger so I would need to get it from a pocket somewhere, while the Suica card I can keep in my jeans pocket or some other easy place.

dluan 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I much prefer convenient over fast, being able to just tap my phone's uploaded IC card/alipay without having to open it up or switch cards is maybe 200ms slower, but I don't have to think or change what I'm doing. Plus with alipay it will just autodeduct so I don't ever have to think about that as well, though Apple wallet Suica makes it easy to reload too.

imglorp 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It appears to be based on NFC-F with latency under 200 ms, called FeliCa. Similar to regular NFC at around 300 ms latency plus any network times.

https://www.sony.co.jp/en/Products/felica/NFC

seanmcdirmid 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But you should probably just get a suica in your apple or google wallet, you don’t actually need an IC card. I’m not sure if using a phone makes it less fast though, I couldn’t tell (we had to get a card for my kid since he doesn’t have a phone).

Definitely better than the QR codes used by China.

sagarun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can use a digital Suica in Google Wallet only if your Android phone has Japan-spec hardware . International Android phones bought outside Japan generally cannot support digital Suica cards in Google Wallet.

xingped an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Pixel phones bought outside Japan supposedly can if you do a little adb hacking to enable it, but I don't have a Pixel to try it myself.

rafram 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

All iPhones can.

dluan 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can move your alipay card into apple wallet and have it as the default payment method, so do you don't even have to swipe or turn on your phone, it will even work in low-power/off mode.

Shank 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't make it less fast! The same model is implemented on the mobile side, which uses the same technology.

rozenmd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same deal with Opal in Sydney - the old school opal card processes a second or so faster than a card/apple pay/google pay that you can just keep walking. Smashed into the barrier the one time I forgot my card.

hdgvhicv 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ve never noticed any delay on the London underground with Apple Pay or a normally debit card - certainly not a second. Havent used an oyster for years but I don’t remember it being faster.

filoleg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe I am just plainly wrong or encountered some specific stations, but this does not feel true from my experience.

During my last visit to London (in 2025), it felt noticeably slower than even NYC subway tap-to-pay.

Suica is a whole other beast that isn't even in the same category of speed. It genuinely feels sub-200ms instantaneous.

Symbiote 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

Correct, Suica is faster than Oyster (card), which is faster than paying with bank cards or phones in London.

(I haven't used the NYC system.)

ezfe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was not my experience in Japan; I found that it still took a second to go through every time, just like in New York/etc.

polishdude20 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The card might be fast but getting one as a tourist is kind of a hassle

filoleg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I heard from friends that physical Suica cards tend to be difficult to obtain these days at times, but digital one isn't at all.

Took me roughly a minute to create one within Apple Wallet ahead of my trip, and that was it. Didn't need to install any apps or register on any websites, because creating a Suica card is natively supported in the wallet app.

Idk how the situation is like with Suica card on Android though, outside of the fact that unless the phone was purchased in Japan, it will typically lack the necessary hardware for it (which isn't a concern with iPhones, because all regional versions include it).

numpad0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's completely anonymous and available on many ticket machines. There are some half-wrong info that you have to fill in a form, but that's only for commuter passes and registered cards.

You just tap Buy Suica and insert two 1000 yen bills. The system keeps 500 yen as a deposit, which is refunded when you return the card, but it's also $3.50 for a little memorabilia.

If you absolutely don't want the keepsake, you can create a virtual card from Wallet on iPhone(7 or later). I believe an app is not needed through that path. Those can be loaded from your credit card, or at pink ticket vendors with the cavity for devices(IIRC the latter didn't work initially).

HaloZero 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There was a brief period where it was difficult but that's gone now, you can set it up easily on Apple Wallet at least (apparently Google wallet is different?).

It used to be easy to get one from a 7-11, then it was hard for a bit, then it was easy again with digital wallets.

Tor3 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, that was during the period where there was a chip shortage for things like cars and other industrial products, this also affected production of Suica cards at the time. During that period you couldn't buy unregistered Suica cards, but you could still buy registered cards (registered to your name). This was simply used as a mechanism to limit the number of cards because of the shortage, and you could also buy those "visitor" Suica cards (those I don't like, for various reasons).

Anyway, that problem is long gone.

kgwgk 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it?

https://www.jreast.co.jp/en/multi/welcomesuica/welcomesuica....

contentkraft 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, just download the Suica app and top it up with Apple pay.

spike021 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been able to get multiple over the past nearly 10 years, very easily. I think there was a relatively brief shortage toward the end of the COVID closure, maybe the first year or so Japan was re-opened. But generally you could still get them, just not at major hubs.

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electriclove 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Super easy via your Apple wallet

vvilliamperez 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I bought one from a machine easily at a train station. It spits the card out for you.

qurren 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really? In 2009 I just bought one at a vending machine, but I haven't really explored Japan since then

my-next-account 2 hours ago | parent [-]

We purchased it from a machine recently. By the way, can I just say: Japan cares about UI in a very different way to Europe. The screens had pleasant graphics and sound, and the buttons for pressing in numbers felt so good. It just felt like someone who cares designed that machine. I did not like the refill-your-IC-card machines though, they made very loud noises so you wouldn't forget to take your IC card with you.

qurren 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The best part is if you press the help button a real person pops out of the machine in a few seconds.

spot5010 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

+1 you can walk through the subway turnstile and not slow down.

cute_boi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Anything is faster than NY turnstile lol.

In NY, sometime i have to double pay because the card that worked on bus doesn't work on subway...

lelandfe 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

OMNY with iOS Express Mode is crazy fast. I don't even have to do anything besides hold my wrist or phone next to the entrance: https://support.apple.com/en-us/105123

I don't often do transfers, though.

throwaway29812 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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