| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 6 hours ago |
| I totally agree trade should feel fair. If the US sends jobs, money, food or goods to other countries, then we shouldn't get garbage back. Tariffs are a way of warning other countries "don’t take us for a ride." They help American workers, factories and towns that were hurt when jobs went overseas. Tariffs shouldn't feel like hurting yourself for no reason. They are an important tool for standing up for yourself when other countries (to say nothing of bad trade deals) want to take advantage of you |
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| ▲ | Hammershaft 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Economists universally think tariffs are dumb policy. https://kentclarkcenter.org/surveys/steel-and-aluminum-tarif... Literally 100% of the 50 expert economists polled by the Kent Clark Center think tariffs overall make Americans worse off. Nobody in politics can say this simple truth because the rust belt states are critical swing states. |
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| ▲ | hartator 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tarrifs are the worst decision a politician can make. The main reason we have open-ish border for people and goods is to reduce the risk of war. You are not going to wage war with a country that do business with. This undermines this idea. |
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| ▲ | CGMthrowaway 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe letting other countries rob us blind is worse. The US has hardly any factories left. Is that "peace" or is that just losing, slowly? Open borders can be GREAT, but they can also be a point of vulnerability if we lose control of them | | |
| ▲ | analog31 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They're not robbing us blind. They're taking care of our manufacturing so that we can invest in things like the financial industry, fossil fuels, and AI. | | |
| ▲ | 9x39 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is great until you're at war (economic or kinetic) with who does your manufacturing. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders. |
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| ▲ | phaedryx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Trade happens because both sides agree and make an exchange. I don't understand how "other countries rob us blind." | |
| ▲ | warkdarrior 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The US has hardly any factories left. Feel free to start your own factory in US, nobody is stopping you. Just keep in mind that for commoditized products (most consumer stuff, for example), prices are all that matter. "Buy American" is not a product feature. | | |
| ▲ | cooggog 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Some years ago. I learned about a new -ish technology that fascinated me. I started to research ways to get in on the development of this technology: i.e. what sort of opportunities might there be for a startup or small business in the space. The answer I found was very sobering and mildly depressing. There was no room for developing the technology itself. That had already been done by large companies with the capital and resources to commoditize things early. Instead, the real opportunities were found in business/management consulting selling the product and tangential things, like having a construction company to help build out infrastructure needed for the technology. At this point I think technology no longer interests me because it doesn’t have a place for me. |
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| ▲ | picafrost 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Maybe letting other countries rob us blind is worse. I find this argument interesting because the US economy is the largest in the entire world by a fairly wide margin. That the US is being robbed implies it's operating from a position of weakness, which is an absurd idea. Are other countries with factories really responsible for US companies outsourcing manufacturing to them? Do you want cheap goods or do you want your fellow Americans paid pennies? | |
| ▲ | padjo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Who exactly is robbing you blind? Could it be your own billionaire class? |
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| ▲ | jpadkins 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Then why did Canadian politicians tax milk products at > 200%?
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2024... (starting long before the current trade war) | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a surplus tax, and one that apparently doesn't exist for the majority of dairy imports: https://archive.is/kKsYc that tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on U.S. dairy exports agreed to under the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).
[...] the U.S. has never gotten close to exceeding our USMCA quotas
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| ▲ | jpadkins 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | thanks, key quote from the link (for others)
"“It is accurate that Canada imposes a tariff of approximately 250% on U.S. exports of certain dairy products into Canada, and even more with Canada’s 25% retaliatory tariffs in place. However, that tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on U.S. dairy exports agreed to under the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA). Frustratingly, the U.S. has never gotten close to exceeding our USMCA quotas because Canada has erected various protectionist measures that fly in the face of their trade obligations made under USMCA." So I think this supports the point that Canadian politicians are bad for protectionist trade policies, right? |
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| ▲ | upboundspiral 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The idea that trade decreases the risk of war is old. It dates back to pre-WW1. Think tanks around Europe were celebrating an "end to hostilities". And then WW1 happened. Trade does not prevent war. War is not always a rational consequence or act. What does prevent war is a good standard of living. Eliminate resentment, and one of the great causes of war is lost. Whether you need tariffs or not to ensure good standard of living I don't know. But the goal should always be to increase standard of living and uphold justice, tariffs or not. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There's never been a war the US has chosen not to start. |
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| ▲ | phaedryx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You act as if it's the countries that are doing the trading; it's not. It is the businesses and other entities within the countries that are doing it. They are doing it because it benefits them. If a company is doing overseas manufacturing it is because they benefit and it isn't the United States that made that decision. |
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| ▲ | squigz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It also seems to ignore the companies and individuals that got rich because they chose to move jobs overseas. |
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