| ▲ | UJ-FLD-ScrTr 3 days ago |
| From a European perspective, one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism. The violent storming of a national symbol of democracy is clearly not one of them. This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here. |
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| ▲ | lenkite 3 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| > From a European perspective, one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism. The definition hasn't really changed regardless of the U.S. President: If you kneel to current U.S. Administration policy, then you can be a mass-murdering, torturing, rapist head-chopper and you will still be a "good guy". If you object to whatever the current US policy is and are small fry, then you are a bad terrorist begging to be eliminated by the American Military Machine. You become a valuable elimination target of US intel/war-corpo investment. |
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| ▲ | deaux 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "I am a freedom fighter, you are a rebel, and he is a terrorist." Going against the US regime means you're a terrorist. If you instead bomb a "terrorist nation", i.e. "a nation not aligned with the US regime"'s schoolgirls, you're a freedom fighter. |
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| ▲ | dormento 2 days ago | parent [-] | | A freedom fighter, a rebel and a terrorist walk into a bar. They're all the same person. (How long till the world declares the US a "terrorist nation"?) | | |
| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > How long till the world declares the US a "terrorist nation"? When and if they do they will be many decades late |
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| ▲ | red_admiral 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Terrorism has always meant the other guy's goons, as opposed to my freedom fighters. |
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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 3 days ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tkel 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The word "terrorist" is almost always used in a propaganda context. There's a good book you should check out, that surveys media mentions and provides hard statistical evidence for this: Manufacturing Consent. | |
| ▲ | bit-anarchist 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn't a cope. They are pointing out the fact that the state has been used against the opposition multiple times in the past by authoritarians, by both the US (this goes beyond DT's gov too) and socialist governments (although they often use the term "reactionaries" instead). | | |
| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 3 days ago | parent [-] | | Who did Obama sick the DOJ on? Who did Biden? How? Did his lackies at the FCC bully media companies, threaten to take them off the air for what their comedians did? What noblogs.org did they go after? Did they tell everyone the un-cities were violent overrun places that needed that national guard sent in? Did Obama's personal lawyer get to run the DOJ? The left/"socialists", generally, these days, seem to believe pretty strongly in individuals liberty. They aren't the same rank hypocrites who crow and cry foul every chance they get, only to violate those same principles as soon as it's convenient. | | |
| ▲ | deaux 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Who did Obama sick the DOJ on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#Government_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kiriakou | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > The left/"socialists", generally, these days, seem to believe pretty strongly in individuals liberty. The “left” as a whole, whether you mean left ultras or left-liberals, generally do not respect individual freedoms in my experience. They redefine liberty to exclude rights they don’t believe in (the right does as well). Polls have shown that the public as a whole, including the left, is becoming more hostile towards many individual liberties, especially freedom of speech. Even more concerning, support for political violence is gradually climbing. Socialists are a mixed bag. In my experience, the more educated they are, the more they publicly espouse support for individual liberties, at least during academic discussions. But there’s a disturbing trend of “joking” about rights violations in casual conversation, mirroring the same trend on the right. Still, the DSA (for instance) seems to be gradually improving its official stances, although there is still work to do. Everyone knows that the right is terrible on civil liberties, but that’s no reason to excuse the left. | |
| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy | | |
| ▲ | danorama 3 days ago | parent [-] | | "In late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[1][2] The 115-page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature." |
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| ▲ | queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | You have a lot to learn about Obama and Biden lol No, they were not a brazen and stupid as trump, but they violated nearly as many civil liberties. Obama executed a US citizen on terror charges without a trial, for starters |
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| ▲ | wmeredith 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > one has long wondered what this government actually considers NOT to be terrorism Anyone willing to line their pockets, it seems. |
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| ▲ | TitaRusell 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| America is one of the few countries that honor their traitors with statues. |
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| ▲ | Arodex 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >This doesn't exactly make one want to spend their next vacation in the USA – even though, admittedly, we have our own problems here. Don't worry, Trump and Musk will export their model to Europe. They guys and gals who were easily bought by Russia when it had money will very gladly side with the richest and gaudiest men on Earth. |
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| ▲ | tialaramex 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The American Right are spending a surprising amount of resources on fucking over Europe. Once piece of good news about a future US economic crash is that there'd be no money left to do that. After Elon gets a tax bill from a new progressive administration whose answer to "You can't tax your way out of America's problems" is either "Well lets at least try" or even "If the effect is just to get rid of the billionaires we're OK with that too" your local racists may find he's too distracted to wire them some more cash for their antics. But maybe that's just wishful thinking, it's not as though there weren't fascists about, they just didn't have the same funding before. |
