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afavour a day ago

> People seem to hold views that getting visas to the US is a human right.

Come on, there's nothing to be gained by misrepresenting people's views.

The argument is a simple one: if you are currently within the immigration process you should be able to move through that process in a timely manner, with clear communication of expectations. Freezing appointments is a political hack: they're not changing the law, they're not altering what anyone is entitled to. They're just leaving people in limbo.

You're saying "these people took a risk", and you're right. But that doesn't mean we can't criticize the people ensuring their bet is a losing one in the least moral way possible.

nonethewiser a day ago | parent [-]

Here is what hvb2 actually said:

> “Just ‘putting a pause’ on people with existing appointments with no answer for when they might resume is.... Inhumane”

And now you're saying:

> “if you are currently within the immigration process you should be able to move through that process in a timely manner, with clear communication of expectations.”

Sure it sucks. But do you understand there is no right to have this visa application interview nor a yes/no decision in a timely manner? Applying for a visa is a privilege. You aren't being denied some human right if the process is interrupted.

bubblethink a day ago | parent | next [-]

Actually, there is. I am a bit tired of correcting these types of misunderstandings that people have. Unreasonable delay, unlawful witholding, arbitrary and capricious are all well defined terms in the law and courts have routinely held and even forced the government to take action (i.e., do their job) when they just pause or suspend things. For a few recent decisions read this:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72218277/catholic-legal...

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72369535/dorcas-interna...

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72494270/ivanov-v-trump...

afavour a day ago | parent | prev [-]

We’re talking about two different things and I don’t understand why you’re conflating them.

“It isn’t a right” and “it’s immoral” are not mutually exclusive statements. No, there is no human right to a visa application response. That doesn’t mean that leaving people in indefinite limbo is morally right.

nonethewiser a day ago | parent [-]

moral != inhumane. It's impossible to have a discussion if you equivocate.