| oh yea, let me just uproot myself because immigration took too long and my company didn't want to wait. I'll just cancel my rental agreement, move my furniture across continents, cancel my other subscriptions, oh wait that's got a few month notice period so I'll have to pay up for months I don't need anymore, let alone all the friendships and social connections I made that I never got to say a proper goodbye to. This is extremely unappealing to skilled workers, and the loss of trust will extend past this current administration, if all it takes is one idiot in office to upend your life, you can't trust that country and its people anymore. |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white. The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway. So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church attending Christians. Not white though. I really do think this country is ran by idiots. No one will be there to pick the crops, prisoners make poor farm hands. The price of food will skyrocket, and if the rest of the world wants to punish us they could just suspend food imports to the US. This was all predictable, and while the Democrats are far from perfect, at least you don’t have chaos. Every country has the government it deserves. | | |
| ▲ | dcow 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I find the idea the only immigrants can do low skill labor kinda… obtuse. Maybe Americans should pick their own crops instead of living in a delusion that certain labor is beneath them. Boomer era “all my kids are going to get white collar jobs” type thinking isn’t sustainable. | | |
| ▲ | bubblethink 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not beneath them per se. It's just that this trade only makes sense for a certain slice of the population at a certain time in their life. The immigrant is willing to work in that job because what is offered is not just the salary but something more (chance to immigrate, stability, arbitrage, etc.). It's similar to research assistants or grad students in universities. They are doing cutting edge research for peanuts because what they are getting is something more (degree, skills, future earning potential). It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable. | | |
| ▲ | trelane 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > research assistants or grad students in universities These are not fully trained scientists, but rather trainees. As such, they don't get paid the same as a fully trained scientist. Like how a journeyman is paid more than an apprentice electrician. Of course, they are also underpaid, too. Ask any grad student union. > It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable. Yes, it's very hard to pay your workers a liveable wage if everyone else is exploiting their workers by underpaying them. All you're saying is that we've built exploiting labor (foreigners, interns, trainees) into our economy. |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I’d only say change the system to provide a pathway to residency. If you’re willing to work 12 hour days to ensure my fat American born self keeps eating , you deserve a spot here. One of my former partners was making around 200k. Her grandparents cleaned homes. The idea is that you come here and your life is crappy low paid work, but your kids and their kids have amazing careers. | | |
| ▲ | quacked 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | While I understand that you think this is romantic and ethical, it also guarantees a status quo where the economy and indeed everyone's quality of life is kept afloat by a permanent imported labor underclass. As we are finding out, we end up with colossal amounts of undertrained, entitled citizens and artificially deflated prices for critical civilizational services. | |
| ▲ | dcow 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree with the spirit of your comment. But what often gets overlooked is that we do have a pathway to permanent residency and naturalization. It involves demonstrating that you are willing and able to be a citizen, not just do labor. The fact that a large number of actual citizens probably aren’t equipped to perform their civic duties doesn’t excuse it. We can change the laws on what it takes to be a citizen but if it were easy to redefine citizenship I’d imagine we’d have already done it. |
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| ▲ | soco 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yet here we are. They even recognized officially (Labor Department, October '25) that Americans are not willing to pick up these jobs. | | | |
| ▲ | deadbabe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Immigrants aren’t the only ones who can do low skill labor, machines can do it too. But doing any kind of labor that a machine can do, is beneath your capacity as a human, so you shouldn’t do that job, you should do other jobs that require human effort or where the quality of human output is valued. | | |
| ▲ | bumby 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Even if machines could do it, it doesn’t mean they could do it at or below the equivalent cost. I also disagree with the automation point regarding what humans should do. As we see with current AI, many creative tasks can be automated but it doesn’t make them unfulfilling human endeavors. |
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