> Companies want the best candidates they can get, and the larger the recruitment pool, the better.

Yes, at the lowest wages they can get. Increase supply -> lower prices (wages) -> more corporate profits!

However, there are those who believe that corporate profits are not the highest good. Some of us also care about the earnings of American workers.

Also, "best candidates" alone does not "best company" make. You need people who can work well together—which requires some degree of culture fit. Immigration restrictions help preserve the cultural homogeneity that makes collaboration and social trust possible.

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golly_ned a day ago | parent | next [-]

> Yes, at the lowest wages they can get. Increase supply -> lower prices (wages) -> more corporate profits!

I don't understand this.

At least in tech megacorps, immigrants get paid the same as americans. They're also very good, and if they were to hire only americans, their talent pool would be worse. They're not 'cashing in' on cheaper labor.

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Georgelemental a day ago | parent | next [-]

> At least in tech megacorps, immigrants get paid the same as americans

… which is less than the Americans would otherwise get paid if there were fewer immigrants. A larger labor pool depresses wages for everybody.

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yodsanklai 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If these companies relocate the jobs, Americans wouldn't even get a job.

A megacorp isn't property of the US government. It's a property of this shareholders who very often aren't even US citizens.

It's pretty ironic that Americans who forced globalization to the rest of the world, and largely benefited from it, are now bitten by it.

If Americans want the lucrative jobs, they should better improve their education system and work hard to compete.

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rawgabbit 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Corps can't have it both ways.

No one is saying corporations cannot offshore and move the jobs overseas and hire workers from that country. What we are saying is that it is disingenuous to bring those workers into the country and claim there is a skills shortage; that is a bald faced lie.

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bigyabai 20 hours ago | parent [-]

We would all agree that there's a RAM shortage right now, even though you can technically still buy RAM at an exorbitant price.

It's not disingenuous to say that America's talent pricing has created a genuine shortage in the country. It's simple supply and demand.

	▲	rawgabbit 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sorry. That is double-speak. Yes, there is a shortage of cheap talent; but there is no shortage of skills and no shortage of labor. If you want cheap labor, corps are welcome to move offshore.

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triceratops 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> which is less than the Americans would otherwise get paid if there were fewer immigrants

Why do you think so?

Where are all the people good enough to work in Big Tech but they have better options than a job that pays $300k to a new grad? What work are they doing right now which pays them more than Big Tech would?

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Georgelemental 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Most H-1Bs are not $300k FAANG employees

	▲	triceratops 21 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The comment you responded to: > > At least in tech megacorps, immigrants get paid the same as americans So at least in this thread we're talking about those employees.

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jpadkins 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if you really don't understand this, then a quick refresher on supply and demand.

A market price is determined by the intersection of supply and demand. Do you understand this concept? If not, I can use examples or link to better explanation.

Adding highly skilled immigrant workers to the labor pool will marginally effect labor prices (most likely hold them from rising, not decreasing them). So the talent pool would be smaller, maybe worse / maybe better, but definitely higher priced.

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newswasboring a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Your entire comment assumes people of different cultural backgrounds cannot collaborate on technical challenges. As someone who manages a team where almost everyone is from a different country I don't see where you got this from. A Laplace transform is a Laplace transform, whether you learn it in a school in India or Nigeria or Lichtenstein.

Your comment is veering uncomfortably close to bigotry.

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Georgelemental a day ago | parent [-]

> Your entire comment assumes people of different cultural backgrounds cannot collaborate on technical challenges.

No it doesn't. It's not black and white. Of course, some amount of cross-cultural collaboration is not only possible, but desirable. But there are also challenges that need to be managed, and some degree of shared assumptions that need to be instilled. If you don't carefully control and limit immigration to a sustainable level, you get stuff like this: https://slate.com/technology/2022/07/caste-silicon-valley-th...

	▲	newswasboring 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		How do you see this as a immigration problem and not a company culture problem? You are again assuming people from a certain place are a certain way. Now you have firmly crossed into bigotry.