| I am aware of the concept of children, thank you. Not sure why we have to argue like we have a stick up our asses, but here we are. As you're well aware, the US is just barely meeting replacement birth rate. Most developed countries are under it. And the big picture: the US is all about growth. Economic growth, cultural growth. If you want more of that, you need immigrants. Sorry, that's how the US has always worked. If you don't agree with it, then I'm not sure the US is the country for you. There are plenty of developed, homogeneous countries. Diversity is what makes the US the US. Please, feel free to seek a country that better aligns with your beliefs. |
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| ▲ | unselect5917 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >As you're well aware, the US is just barely meeting replacement birth rate. Oh no, they'll have to raise wages due to lack of labor. How terrible for the working class (everyone). | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Without immigration lowering wages more citizens would be able to afford having children. > Diversity is what makes the US the US. Is this meant as a joke? I can't tell, but it is completely ahistorical. The foundera wrote about their demographic intention extensively. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match a day ago | parent [-] | | The founders were, themselves, immigrants. From multiple different countries. Of course racism existed when the founding father's were alive, we had slavery. But, from the beginning, the US has been a country founded on immigration and racial diversity. Yes, we did not, at the time, consider black Americans Americans. But we certainly do now, and have for a very long time. I'm also not convinced immigration lowers wages. People throw this around, while providing no evidence. And, even if it did, I think it's obvious that wages is not the cause behind birth rate decline. All the developed countries, with the high wages and standard of living, have poor birthrate. All the developing countries, with low wages and low standard of living, have high birthrates. Hmm. If we look at the demographic progression of nations the "culprit" behind birthrate is development. Particularly, social development, the liberation of women. Turns out lots of women don't actually want to have children, and when we stop pressuring them socially, they don't. They work instead. Obviously this is a hard problem to solve. If you want to solve birthrate, you need to de-develop your nation. Not good. Or, some other solution, which nobody has found yet. Or, you just have immigration, which we do and have had. | | |
| ▲ | profdevloper 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > the US has been a country founded on immigration and racial diversity This is a misreading of pre-1965 history with respect to immigration. The Naturalization Act of 1790 explicitly states: "any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof... making proof to the satisfaction of such Court, that he is a person of good character." So the "diversity is our strength" slogan is a modern invention and an attempt to retcon our history. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | The US was diverse from the beginning, with a large black, indigenous, and white population. Again, at the time we did not consider black Americans to be Americans. But we certainly do now, and have for a long time. Yes racism existed in the 18th century. Congratulations, you are a connoisseur of history. Maybe next you can clarify if the Pope lives in the Vatican. But, that doesn’t mean the US wasn’t diverse. It was, from the beginning. Both in terms of different European nationalities, and in terms of race. Also, harkening back to 17 fucking 90 as a defense of anti-immigration policy is a poor argument. People already largely think that anti-immigration sentiment is pure racism. And people think that exactly because of arguments like yours. I’m not saying you’re racist. But, just about everyone was in 1790. That’s not a good defense. That actually serves as a demonstration of what NOT to do, and highlights the social progression of the US. It’s good we’re no longer there, in that mindset. |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | George Washington was the 4th generation of his family in america. He and his community has deep roots in america and did not consider themselves immigrants. The American nation existed before the revolution and was a precondition for such. Only supply a demand economic denialists cannot understand than an increase in the supply of something leads to falling prices. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match a day ago | parent [-] | | We certainly do not have an oversupply of labor. In fact, we're quite short on it. The demand for many jobs is very high. In fields where immigrants often work, that is, blue collar labor, the demand is VERY high. We simply do not produce enough tradesmen, but we still require infrastructure. And for white collar labor, we have a lot of immigrants, too. But again, supply is not the issue. Yes we import a lot of things like doctors. But we certainly don't have nearly enough doctors. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tradesmen? Americans used to become carpenters but now don't because it used to be paid well enough but now pays peanuts. All because of immigration. If carpenters were paid what they were paid in the 60s, inflation adjusted you'd see American carpenters again. There is no labor shortage, only a wage shortage because too many people like you demand to hire at slave wages and failing that import someone desperate enough to take it. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | It pays peanuts because we manufacture furniture in China for pennies on the dollar. All of the factories have moved out of the US, and artisan goods were dead long before that. Immigrants aren’t stealing those jobs. Those jobs no longer exist in the US, so nobody can steal them even if they tried. | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Carpenters are the trade that builds houses from wood. Almost every house in america is built this way. I've yet to see a carpenter job, which requires being on site, outsourced to china. Misdirecting by pretending not to know what a carpenter is, is just downright dishonest and emblematic of the deceiptful open borders argument. |
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