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| ▲ | 15155 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > I can’t think of any other rationale. For many visas, people are expected to maintain a home that they intend to return to in their country of origin. Forcing people to leave every once in a while makes this more likely (at least in theory.) | |
| ▲ | dmix 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I can’t think of any other rationale. Lack of real domestic enforcement would be an obvious one, so everything gets pushed to the border entry points. | | |
| ▲ | fn-mote 2 days ago | parent [-] | | They know who you are and where you work… how hard could it be to enforce rules? Wait, what’s getting enforced here, anyway? They are getting a new visa, no? I don’t believe this rationale at all. | | |
| ▲ | nomel 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > how hard could it be to enforce rules? See the recent events and pushback on immigration enforcement, to answer this, with whole cities (with their judicial system and police) refusing to participate, and governors condemning enforcement. | | |
| ▲ | mrguyorama a day ago | parent [-] | | Those cities had very little problem when Obama was deporting millions. Almost like what I have an actual problem with isn't deporting illegal immigrants, but armed thugs kidnapping citizens, harassing my neighbors, and murdering several citizens Our police department hired a guy, did a background check, yup, he can be here legally. So of course ICE tracks him down and abducts him for a month. That drove our sheriff, who is not fucking liberal, to basically say "Uh, what the fuck, how can you possibly be this incompetent?" If you have actual evidence of some kind that a human being does not have their paperwork in order, the correct thing is to give them a summons, get a judge to declare them not legal, and deport them. Very simple. If your complaint is that too many immigrants just come back, then we should try enforcing the law against hiring illegal immigrants which we put on the books under Reagan, 50 years ago, and have never enforced because it hurts the profits of well connected Agriculture industry people. Why hasn't Trump done that? Why hasn't Trump done the one thing everyone involved has suggested for decades, which is known to be the primary reason immigrants come here? Why did Trump tell Republicans to reject the Boarder bill proposed by democrats in 2024? One which absolutely would have provided more funding for the boarder? | | |
| ▲ | nomel a day ago | parent [-] | | > Those cities had very little problem when Obama was deporting millions. Incorrect. They were "sanctuary" cities during Obama, as well. > the correct thing is to give them a summons, get a judge to declare them not legal, and deport them. Correct, and this is a popular right wing perspective. You should look into this more. These sanctuary cities and states are specifically against this. They release people with deportation orders back into the public, and ban city and state employees from helping. See "California sanctuary state laws" and "sanctuary city list". > Almost like what I have This isn't relevant. |
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| ▲ | 15155 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > They know who you are and where you work Most visas don't permit their holder to work. > Wait, what’s getting enforced here, anyway? The visa holder is forced to expend nominal financial resources and time in their home country (where they agreed they would return to.) Most people can't afford to maintain a facade of residency or two actual residences (and those who can aren't the intended targets of this type of restriction.) | | |
| ▲ | aveao a day ago | parent [-] | | You do not need to do it in your "home country" at all, though, is the thing. People plan vacations around appointments they manage to land for this, in countries they want to go for their summer holidays. Additionally, it doesn't really do that either, you don't need a valid visa (only valid status) if you don't plan to leave and re-enter US, so this mainly forces people to stay within US rather than going elsewhere for visiting family, vacation and whatnot. I'd not be surprised if the net effect was less time/money spent in "home country". |
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| ▲ | achierius 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, not necessarily. Sometimes visas are rejected. Unless you're talking about giving everyone who gets a visa a green card? |
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| ▲ | iamjackg 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not sure if things have changed recently, but up until at least 2019 (last time I had to do it iirc) you definitely had to do a "flagpole" (drive through the border and immediately turn back) to change your status in Canada. | | |
| ▲ | mattkrause 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Nah, you can renew work permits online—-and in fact, they push you to. However, the in-country processing takes 6 months while the flagpole option
(If you’re eligible) takes 15 minutes. |
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| ▲ | jimmydorry 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Canada effectively requires leaving and re-entering. It can take multiple months for an online visa to get processed, meanwhile leaving and reentering takes hours. | | |
| ▲ | Scoundreller 2 days ago | parent [-] | | there were other dumb factors pushing people to do border runs, like your paperwork says "expired" but your status still being valid while being processed. Except you had zero paperwork to show to an employer and they had no way to verify themselves. Even if an employer understood the process and accepted some proof that you submitted an application, they would have no idea if you were rejected and became out-of-status. |
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| ▲ | pstuart 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | They've made no secret of the desire to purge the country of "others". This is part of that plan. | | |
| ▲ | 15155 2 days ago | parent [-] | | "Must leave to renew" certain visas has been policy for decades - through at least the Clinton, Obama, and Biden administrations. Most visas are for temporary guests: obtaining a visa doesn't normally give someone the right to permanently reside, and most don't permit their holders to work. | | |
| ▲ | pstuart 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | Prior administrations were not full-throated nativists. Having a presidential campaign promise of mass deportation (happily consumed by The Base) is proof positive of the mindset of this administration. |
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