Python certainly has some baggage, especially the typing system (which is still not finished, if you're looking at static typing and so is implemented differently by type checkers) and pip's safety, or lack thereof. But comparing it to PHP or Perl is rhetoric leading you one step too far.

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fugigigjfn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Comparing it with PHP is unfair… to PHP. The amount of hard work that the PHP community has done to advance and keep their language relevant is impressive and admirable, and Python is perhaps the most extreme counterexample there is.

The Python community has spent the last 15 years refusing to improve in any meaningful way, or to learn anything from their peers. As someone who used to choose only jobs that would let me work with Python, I’ve gone through every phase of grief, and now just try to forget that it exists.

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mixmastamyk 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Lol, Python has had incredible improvements over the last decade plus, while uv fixed packaging. It's the best/comprehensive glue language ever made, even with a few remaining warts.

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rmunn 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most of the time downvoters don't explain their downvote, but I'll explain mine. I voted this comment down because it's just plain incorrect.I worked with PHP for nearly ten years (and I never want to go back). Maybe PHP has improved since I worked with it (PHP 7.4 was the most recent version when I last worked with it, I have never used PHP 8), but I doubt it.

But to describe the Python community as "spen[ding] the last 15 years refusing to improve in any meaningful way" is just laughably wrong. I can't give details as I haven't been doing much Python work, but even so I know of multiple changes, such as the typing system, or packaging improvements, which have significantly improved the language AFAICT. If there's a reason why you would not consider those to be "improv[ing] in any meaningful way", please enlighten me.

	▲	mixmastamyk 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You mentioned two biggies, but also the GIL removal, async, performance improvements, f-string, walrus, fast dicts w. merge ops, data classes, pattern matching, friendlier repl, and hundreds of smaller yearly improvements.