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VCFundedGenYer 2 hours ago

To be fair, the Zune actually was a better media player than the ipod in almost every way. That wasn't a false statement.

The issue was the abysmal marketing and "me too" attitude Microsoft had (and still has).

saturn8601 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I recall reading this story of some user doing a sync with Zune on their new computer. The computer had no songs on it and the Zune synced with that machine and wiped all the existing music off his Zune without warning him(or something like that its been years). I recall thinking, yep thats Microsoft. And to this day I still encounter dumb ways of thinking in many of their products. The endless negative stories I hear about Windows 11 are just the tip of the iceberg. The entire company has to be following a cohesive vision with leadership at top needing to be truly involved to make great end to end products and really Microsoft has not been that in a long time.

darg01 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I was a zune user. I had my music organised meticulously and could simply drag and drop to my zune from my (parents) windows desktop. It was simple and it was fantastic.

Then I got a iPod so I needed to download iTunes. I downloaded iTunes, it told me to import my music. I imported my meticulously organised collection. It duplicated every single file into the iTunes approved format (AAC?) - my meticulous collection was now less meticulous, messy even.

It caused me to swear off Apple products for decades. Though it also led me to some very basic programming in order to delete the duplicates. I was only partially successful.

Programming led me to use Linux, before I eventually moved over to Mac. I like to think this was their plan all along.

hex4def6 18 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I remember Microsoft introduced a DRM / certification program they called "Playsforsure".

Two years later they introduce the Zune, which could not play "Playsforsure" music people had purchased from MSN..

staticman2 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From what I recall Zune had a much bigger screen for videos so I bought one for that reason you can see the side by side here:

https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/zune-ipod.htm

gffrd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Technical capability pales in comparison to human desire.

sigmoid10 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Until you actually need to run a business. Then money is much more important than the preferences of your employees. That's why Apple has barely penetrated the business world beyond overfunded startups that are more driven by hype and design wanna-bes than actual profit.

foepys 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Microsoft fumbled the Windows ball so hard, everybody i know got rid of their Windows PC and either went to Android/iPhone or got a Mac or Linux.

At work we can freely choose which OS we run on our machines. Guess what everybody wants since IT got forced to upgrade each laptop to Windows 11? Macbook Pro.

I personally am running Linux just because I already know how to use it but macOS (despite its flaws) is way less intrusive and much faster than Windows. Even Microsoft's own programs (Office 365, Teams) are running faster and have better UX on macOS than on Windows.

matthewmc3 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

10% of Microsoft's revenue is Windows. Azure is closer to 40%. Their focus has shifted hard from software to services. Azure is making them around $100B and growing. It'd be far more surprising if they were putting their focus back to Windows in a saturated market given all the incentives they have to chase bigger revenue elsewhere.

saturn8601 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One can argue they made much more money selling to people than business. Business forces you to compete on price and that drives everything down to 0. The market clearly values selling to people more than selling to business: look at their stock price. So if you are actually running a computer company wouldn't it be better if you took Apple's approach (if you could)?

badprose an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Until you actually need to run a business. Did you mean to say "Until you actually need to sell to a business."? They did do very well for a long time mostly by focusing on consumers...

Razengan an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Being easy and pleasant to use and own is also an important capacity.

tcmart14 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Never had a zune, but I did have an iPod. I am willing to accept Zune was superior. But its just an example that, yea, often times the superior solution doesn't actually win. There is a huge list of better technology that lost out to worst technology. Which is why I find it funny the claim that the market is optimal in choosing winners and loosers.

insane_dreamer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had the first iPod, and later the first Zune. The Zune had a beautiful UI, but by then Apple came out with the iPod Nano 2nd gen and that took the cake.

wat10000 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was better in every way you can quantify in a tech specs listing, and not in any way that actually matters to the customer.

georgel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I had the OG white Zune. It was the same price as an iPod ~$250. The reason I chose Zune was the Zune Pass. A precursor to Spotify. Plus growing up in the Seattle area, I knew other people who had them and we would trade songs.

Andrex an hour ago | parent [-]

I completely forgot you could "squirt" songs to other Zune owners. What a time!

(Brown launch model here.)

stillpointlab 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100% - the iPod wasn't just good enough, it was more than enough for almost everyone. The Zune was firmly in the diminishing returns category by the time it came out.

compiler-guy an hour ago | parent [-]

Yep. To overcome an incumbent that sells a very good product and has momentum, it is almost never enough to be somewhat better. You have to be "knock my socks off" better.

The Zune may have been somewhat better (until the nano and iphone), but it wasn't enough better to overcome the ecosystem switching costs.

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not much difference between storing as many songs you can listen to in a lifetime, or storing twice as many songs as you can listen to in a lifetime.

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aatd86 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

me still thinking about the iRiver H320 I was lusting after...

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riazrizvi an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The Zune failed vs the iPod because of marketing? Okay.

QuercusMax an hour ago | parent [-]

The turd brown color certainly didn't help

horsawlarway 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

shut your mouth - that brown was beautiful.