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jrflo 3 hours ago

My reaction is: that's an appropriate amount. AI is probably the biggest thing to happen (in tech) in the last two decades, so I think it's fair that it's taking up a lot of the discourse.

mrweasel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems a bit self-reinforcing. AI makes almost zero (positive) impact on my day to day life and isn't actually something I interact with directly and the same holds true for most people I talk to.

There's a few of my friends in tech for whom AI has obviously massively changed how they work, but again not in a clear positive direction.

To me there seems to be a push to heavily prompte LLMs, even thought the benefits aren't all that clear yet. Some people are seeing massive improvements in how they work and it's understandable that they, like with blockchains or Kubernetes previously want to share their optimism. I just question if maybe these people are being to louder and have to much influence. There's a large silent majority for whom all the AI stuff is almost completely pointless.

It does need to take up more space on HN, compared to your normal media, because the technology needs to find it's way into applications and appliances. The hype will die down, especially once we start to see the actual costs, e.g. ChatGPT doesn't actually provide enough value for the average user to warrant a subscription, hence the ads. For now, it seems that AI is heavily pushed by industry and a group of fans, the amount of news and articles just doesn't line up with the actual daily use.

jrflo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think that AI has to influence every single person's daily life to make a huge impact. I think for probably 90% of people it's pretty useless out side of being a better search engine. But that doesn't mean it won't have a huge impact on science and technology at large. There are a lot of snake oil salesmen trying to stick it into everyone's face, but I don't think that should be conflated with the real progress that's being made.

anthonypasq 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

i just gotta say that i find it hard to believe that this comment is true for you but you hang out on hackernews.

almost everyone here is a software engineer or works in tech, they all use ai all day to do their entire jobs.

> even thought the benefits aren't all that clear yet

it isnt 2023 anymore. wtf are you talking about.

>he hype will die down, especially once we start to see the actual costs, e.g. ChatGPT doesn't actually provide enough value for the average user to warrant a subscription,

again, it isnt 2023 anymore. none of this is true.

bunderbunder 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's a part of me that agrees.

There's also a part of me that misses the earlier days of Hacker News when the subject matter was much more eclectic and seemingly every day I'd have a chance to learn about something completely different.

And that's maybe what I miss. Nowadays Hacker News feels increasingly like another social media platform: mostly a lot of opinions, war stories, and self promotion. That feeling of serendipity that so characterized earlier ages of the Web is fading here, too.

happytoexplain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it's appropriate given the metric you have chosen ("big"ness), though maybe the word should then be "expected", since "appropriate" implies some kind of broader human-oriented concept of rightfulness/goodness.

fcanesin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Upvoted: I was going to write this exact reply. Everyone is a bit tired of hearing about AI, but it's advancing fast and it's the most important thing right now. As Demis says, if we get to ASI, we can solve all other issues with it.

netdevphoenix 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it's advancing fast

Actually, it (LLM models) has been advancing slower for a while. This is pretty much in the mainstream. And the current approach is facing all sorts of obstacles that are not exclusively technological. The compute needs are no longer sustainable. Financially, big labs are drowning in debt and backlash against data centres has grown so much that it has become an electoral topic in at least one major country.

jdjdjdjdjdi 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

why exactly do we want ASI, and further, if we DID, why on Earth would we want it controlled by the likes of Sam Altman, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Marc Andreessen, and Larry Ellison?

FUCK THAT

fcanesin an hour ago | parent [-]

Support DeepSeek and Ziphu than, I am not advocating the merits but it is the reality. ASI will be pursued regardless of wants.

cromka 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Problem is other cool hacky stuff gets drawned out. Nobody votes on those because I imagine it's no longer attractive to the type of visitor that HN attracts now. I reckon there's many more non-tech, "make me a millionaire" gold rush crowd here, as cynical as it sounds. I base that on pure logic, since it's kind of inevitable with AI having delivered a massive democratization of tech knowledge, but also on the amount of snarkier, shorter, less technical, less logical, one short sentence type of comments.

I know it's been said countless of times before, but I think this community has truly changed within last year.

pbkompasz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Bigger than the Metaverse or monkey NFTs?

pydry 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Feels more like another blockchain hype cycle to me.

Especially the part where we're always on the cusp of the entire world changing while the biggest change is just that huge sums of money changed hands, inducing psychosis in a large group of investors.

jrflo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know what you're saying, there is a lot of speculation going on in AI right now. The difference is there is hard evidence of AI capabilities accelerating now: we've gone from toy chatbots to sort-of useful coding helpers to agents solving novel math problems in 3.5 years. We could plateau any day and a lot of investors would be stuck holding the bag, or we could continue on that trajectory and they'll make crazy profits. With crypto, the bet was always "how much money will people keep sticking in this market?" which seems a lot more flawed to me.

pydry an hour ago | parent [-]

The irony with blockchain is that it also had a bunch of real life use cases but the sheer extremity of the hype cycle managed to actually prevent them from being effectively brought to life.

There was a lot of genuinely useful tech that blockchain could have facilitated and all we were left with in the end was a mountain of scams and bitcoin.

I'm seeing something similar with AI where the genuinely useful stuff is getting washed out by the hype simply because it's a gradual improvement and not "disruptive". Meanwhile the stuff sold as disruptive like vibe coding is mostly bullshit.

tayo42 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Blockchain wasn't this overwhelming though. You could pretty much ignore it if you wanted.

sejje 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We're not on the cusp, we're in the process.

World-changing doesn't happen overnight. The internet didn't, either.

This is like 1991 internet.

jejsjsjsn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

it's more like the flight of the Concorde

mistyvales 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sick of it, but you are 100% right. I'm sure a good number of active readers here want even more AI-related articles.

orphea 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Same. I hate that the TS is right.

brazukadev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> AI is probably the biggest thing to happen (in tech) in the last two decades, so I think it's fair that it's taking up a lot of the discourse.

Almost. the iphone was launched 19 years ago. It was (and still is) much more relevant than the current LLM-based AI.

cubefox 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would say, AI is probably the biggest thing to happen in tech, full stop.

LLMs went from a toy to highly capable (along many dimensions) in just a few years.

Which makes it very likely that in a few years more, we will be seeing crazy capabilities that leave us humans increasingly behind.

altcognito 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You really have to expand the list to ridiculous levels before you get to something as big. We've already left humans behind in many ways (but in others we've failed to build LLMs that know how to find the gaps in implementation that humans are leaving out)

Cynics really say stuff like "but it's been 3 years and all they can claim is that it's changed text to speech, speech to text, photos to text, text to photos, programming, cybersecurity, research, mathematics, war...

"They lie about it being dangerous!" and simulataneously "They hacked a system with zero day exploits! Everyone involved should goto jail!"

Tech leaders are awful, but it is just that we've built a society that enables the most awful among us to benefit the most. It has never been the case that tech leaders are particularly amazing, they are just amazing at exploitation.

qarl2 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> "They lie about it being dangerous!" and simulataneously "They hacked a system with zero day exploits! Everyone involved should goto jail!"

FWIW:

The simultaneous "it's stupidly weak" and "it's dangerously strong" is a well known propaganda technique.

goalieca 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think microprocessors were the biggest thing, until the internet, then the web, open source, system on a chip, virtualization, cloud, ..

When each of those things came in, there was definitely some stumbling but I remember things being less ambiguous about being good than LLMs.

brazukadev an hour ago | parent [-]

> I think microprocessors were the biggest thing, until the internet, then the web, open source, system on a chip, virtualization, cloud, ..

and none of them changed society more than the smartphone (starting with the iphone).

reaperducer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would say, AI is probably the biggest thing to happen in tech, full stop.

I would say, the transistor was probably the biggest thing to happen in tech, full stop.

cubefox 34 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think you will change your mind when AI will become smarter than any human.

dan_ggggg 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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