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paxys 5 hours ago

Or more simply – $25K (+ tax) put in a savings account will earn about enough interest to pay for a $100/month AI subscription indefinitely. And at the end of it you still have the $25K.

AbsurdCensor 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not 'more simply', there are basically zero savings accounts that are going to net you a 5%+ interest rate to give you that $100 a month. And that $25k becomes less valuable over time. $25k is now only worth $19k because inflation.

spacephysics 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Money market/treasuries (even ETF like SGOV) gets pretty close to 5% when typical savings rate is a bit under

If treasuries “fail” we have a different class of problem.

wonnage 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Rates are around 3.5% right now before taxes.

buerkle an hour ago | parent [-]

There's still many high interest savings accounts that are at least 4%

AbsurdCensor an hour ago | parent [-]

And you still need at least 5% to do what OP is suggesting.

mkjs an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think the hardware will still be worth $25k once it is five years old?

AbsurdCensor an hour ago | parent [-]

Do you think monthly AI 'subscriptions' are going to be $100 a month in 5 years? These people using these would probably be on $200/month subscriptions and with that OPs assertion of 'shoving away and paying with interest' makes no sense.

kphorn 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s basically impossible to compete on economic terms with deeply subsidized hardware that is widely available to rent or as a service with zero commitment.

For general inference there’s no ROI that makes this work vs subscriptions.

25k for computer now, plus 9-10% sales tax, plus operating cost, plus time and cost for R&D tinkering with models, harnesses, and infra (assuming highly capable engineering talent that can get paid for your human inference) vs a HEAVILY subsidized subscription at 200 per month with free R&D has a pretty long ROI (15 years?)

At API costs, it’s like 6 months if you’re heavy on inference. For training, specialized models will have their own ROI that makes this worthwhile. Then debate renting capacity and the platform to choose

sanderjd 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Isn't there something to be said for owning your own hardware though?

bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not if it's 5-10x slower than a remote inference server. Mac prefill latency is exhausting.

sanderjd 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh tell me more about prefill latency.

bilbo0s 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the real answer.

Unless you need privacy for your inference this instant, paying for credits can get 80 to 90 percent of people everything they need.

Of course if you do need that privacy, then forking the $25K over to Apple is a no brainer.

intrasight 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't need privacy, so it would be financially imprudent for me to spend 20 grand on such a machine. But I have a financial management client who does need such privacy, and if I get more fully engaged with them then I would be able to justify getting a loaded Mac.

throwa356262 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why is this a no brainer?

There are both cheaper and faster options out there.

physicalecon 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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