| ▲ | Tracking Costco gas prices(jack.bio) |
| 67 points by lafond a day ago | 69 comments |
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| ▲ | culi 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| GasBuddy is great for this. You can see average gas prices across all gas stations for a certain region (or nation-wide). https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts The data goes back even over 25 years if you play around with the query params (it started in June of 2000). E.g. https://charts.gasbuddy.com/ch.gaschart?Country=USA&Crude=f&... |
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| ▲ | lafond 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | GasBuddy is great, no doubt! I was well familiar with them before working on the site. The issue is that their data is user reported and not directly reported from Costco's warehouse numbers - so there were a few times that the price was vastly different from what was at the pump. | |
| ▲ | art222 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The user-reported vs source-reported thing is bigger than people think. I work with car listing prices and the gap between what people say something costs and what the source actually shows is basically the whole reason my product works. Pulling from the warehouse numbers is the right call even if the coverage is smaller. | | |
| ▲ | culi 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's an extensive dataset (Gasbuddy is one of the most used apps in the US) and they have sophisticated techniques to prevent fake/incorrect prices. I've used it for years and have only come across incorrect prices twice. Costco prices are great but it should not be used to calculate things like "average national gas prices". You will inevitably over-represent the types of places where Costcos are more likely to be built. |
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| ▲ | jopolous 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I worked at Costco while in college many years ago and I got to see how the gas price was set for my specific warehouse. Someone would drive out to a few neighboring gas stations, record prices, and set ours ~10 cents lower. That’s it. That’s how the price was set. Aside, working there was very good for a college job and I was treated very respectfully for the summers I was there. |
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| ▲ | Aboutplants an hour ago | parent [-] | | I’m betting stores are given a floor price/cost and are given the flexibility to raise above that up to 10 cents cheaper than the nearest competitors in the specific area. All stores do not have the same ability/flexibility |
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| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Costco gas is famously a loss leader, typically running 15 to 20 cents below surrounding stations.
Is this true? I always assumed that Costco just had better deals/longer horizon commitments so it could undercut local stations. Maybe they even own a refinery just to maintain the best margin. |
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| ▲ | shrubble 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They are selling 10000 gallons a day at some locations, so I find it hard to believe. More like they don’t have a need to make a profit and they run the station in a barebones manner on real estate that they get as part of the larger site. So it would be a loss leader for anyone else. | |
| ▲ | xenadu02 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | When you have a bunch of stores you do sign distribution deals with a nationwide distributor. If you buy enough fuel you might even be able to sign with an oil company that has refining capacity or their own distribution arm. So Costco is definitely not paying the same price as your local convenience store. But they aren't getting a 35% discount either. As many others have noted: Costco does not do loss-leaders. They're likely selling at cost or a very small profit above cost. When we bought a house in 2021 I had 9.6kW of solar installed (and 20kWh of battery) and bought our first electric car. Since replaced it and have two electric cars now. At times like this I'm thankful for that. I make my own driving energy on my roof, covering over 80% of all driving and home electric usage. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nobody is signing a national contract for gasoline. It all comes from the local refinery, or in some cases a pipeline to a slightly more distant refinery. The final shipping is by truck and it's almost never the case that you can find a different place that you could drive a truck to that's cost effective. Shipping guests. A few more miles by truck, it's only a few dollars different, and so it doesn't cost much difference per gallon. However, when we're talking 100 miles, now you're talking about significantly more money and that shows up in the pump price. Worse, even if you are willing to pay the price, every state has different specific rules for gasoline and so there is a very high odds that only your local refinery can make the correct gasoline for your local area. What national chains can do is specify the additive that the refiner adds. Anyone other than a national chain doesn't have enough profit to be worth trying to build their own additive package and takes the standard additives the refinery has, which are almost always a good package anyway. | | |
| ▲ | giardini an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Do we know how Costco's "additive package" rates relative to other providers (e.g., Shell's) additive packages? Currently I buy Shell gas b/c I trust that it's good for my car's engine. Can I trust that Costco's gas is as good as Shell's? | | |
| ▲ | qmr 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You should be looking for "top tier" gas, which Costco sells. |
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| ▲ | r58lf an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | weird fact. there's no refineries in florida. All the gasoline in south florida comes in via ship/barge. |
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| ▲ | mikestew 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | During what I seem to recall was an earnings call about ten years ago, it was stated that Costco doesn't do loss-leaders. What they more likely do is sell the gas close to cost. | | |
| ▲ | loco5niner 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Their rotisserie chicken is certainly a loss leader, even if they don't call it that. | | |
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| ▲ | PessimalDecimal 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Acquired episode about Costco (https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/costco) claims they don't do loss leaders at all. | | |
| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would be illogical to make gasoline a "loss leader" because, surely, there are people who visit the gas station and then jet out of there without going anywhere else. A loss leader item is something that gets people in the door, puts their butt in a seat, and gets them to make a transaction that will include piling on other stuff. So if your Jumbo Jack is a loss leader, then you can charge $2.00 for sodas and $3.00 for French fries, and the same customer will probably also grab a $6 Oreo shake. Someone who's filling up for gas may or may not go inside the Costco store proper. But the gasoline isn't going to influence their buying habits. If they "just need gas" that's all they'll get. Conversely, I cannot see how a $1.50 hot dog is doing anything but losing money. It's a classic candidate for loss leader. | | |
| ▲ | cj 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | In rural America, getting someone into the parking lot isn’t much different than in the front door when the next box store is 10-20+ minutes away. It makes less sense in the suburbs. |
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| ▲ | all2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not true where I live. Costco is on average 5-10c more expensive than the cheaper places near me. | |
| ▲ | teruakohatu 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Selling below the price of surrounding stations doesn’t mean they are losing money on the fuel. Costco has a single store in my country and it’s butter that they sell cheaply to get people in the door. But I doubt they are losing money on it. | |
| ▲ | wyre 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It makes sense. The ~$10 someone saves pumping at Costco is easily made up in the >$100 shopping trip they are making, or compared to lifetime spend. | | |
| ▲ | bryanlarsen 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | No it doesn't. Costco has a gross profit margin of 11% and a net profit margin of 3%. Losing $10 to make $3 isn't viable. | | |
| ▲ | basch 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Costco isnt losing $10. They can sell gas at cost to run a gas station if they want to. They break even and get people there instead of a normal gas station. |
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| ▲ | esalman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Costco has a standalone gas station in Mission Viejo, CA - https://www.costco.com/w/-/gas-station/ca/mission-viejo/1772 I think this is the only one in US without a warehouse. The prices are at least $0.40 cheaper than nearby gas stations. |
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| ▲ | xnx 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Tracking Costco Gas Prices During a Global Fuel Crisis 10% more expensive than 5 years ago doesn't seem like a "crisis". Diesel seems like more of a problem: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GASDESW |
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| ▲ | phainopepla2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's crazy to me that gas in Hawaii, 3k miles out into the Pacific, is cheaper than most of California. |
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| ▲ | Arubis an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Taxes. | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is not crazy if you know that gas prices include taxes that can greatly vary by jurisdiction. The price at the pump may have little to do with cost of procuring it. | | |
| ▲ | jerlam 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | California also has its own special gas that no one else uses, and cannot produce or refine it domestically to meet its own demand. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Every state has their own gas. Well, you might find the same gas in, say, North Dakota and Minnesota or something, but those are right next to each other and have very similar environment situations. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if Minneapolis, and western Minnesota had different rules for environmental reasons. |
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| ▲ | xp84 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > "a Global Fuel Crisis" Does anyone else find this hyperbolic? Gas prices here in the US are up about 26% from their recent-past price -- it stayed in a very narrow range of about $3.20 for a year or two, and now is at $4.05. A "FUEL CRISIS" is what you are seeing in Moscow right now. People lined up for miles and sometimes when you get to the front the delivery does not happen because the refinery got blown up. Or at least the 1970s oil crisis. A 26% bump in prices is a major annoyance, not a "crisis." I would guess that the person who wrote this headline has some kind of a political agenda. Did he describe it as a "fuel crisis" when gas prices rose from their previous ~2.80 baseline to the peak of $4.93 in June 2022, a 76% increase? Or was it not a crisis then for some reason? |
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| ▲ | tantalor 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure what you want. There is a global fuel crisis. Wikipedia calls it a "worldwide fuel crisis". Is this in dispute? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war_fuel_crisis | | |
| ▲ | xp84 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's just an odd choice on a page that's only about USA fuel prices. I wouldn't describe a 26% increase in any price as a ____ crisis. RAM and storage prices, now that's a crisis. I believe OP's earnest statement that he's not trying to be political. I just think that propagandizing - if that was the motivation - would be dishonest by most definitions: If one were just trying to boost Dems in the midterms by the classic "gas prices high -> loss for party in control" method, but they were saying "Inflation isn't that bad and gas prices are fine" during the 76% gas price spike in 2022, that's extreme bad faith. And if one is implying "Fuel prices are higher now, therefore conflict with Iran is bad" I'd argue that's a shitty, cowardly, and selfish metric to base policy decisions on. Surely some battles are worth fighting because an enemy's behavior is too intolerable to allow, and gas prices being temporarily high is annoying, but not reason to capitulate. | | |
| ▲ | pibaker an hour ago | parent [-] | | 26% increase on something that is priced into the price of everything else is huge. In comparison the RAM price surge is a big deal in the consumer market but not nearly as bad as the chip shortages a few years back for industrial use. Fuel consumption is not really elastic either. Most people don't really need a new PC, but if you can't afford gas you will end up jobless real quick. It can also get a lot worse very quickly when countries' strategic reserves run dry. |
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| ▲ | lafond 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hi! Absolutely zero political agenda here, just someone wanting to track the price of fuel. While Wikipedia isn't always to be trusted (everyone knows that), the situation has been widely described as a crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Strait_of_Hormuz_crisis. Just want to clear that up that the jargon is selected specifically from a general understanding and not one from a political skew! I also wasn't tracking fuel prices back in 2022, otherwise I probably would have included similar dialog given the nature of what caused the prices to rise. | |
| ▲ | sp4cec0wb0y 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tbf, the U.S isn't the globe. |
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| ▲ | NDlurker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I drove from Fargo to Port Angeles recently and hit up Costco for gas as much as possible. Should have written reviews of the Costcos along I94/I90. Billings was the best. |
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| ▲ | Ductapemaster a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://archive.ph/qX4vF |
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| ▲ | monkeydust 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Probably a good index for predicting how midterms might go |
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| ▲ | 1970-01-01 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tracking Costco gas doesn't make much sense as Costco doesn't make money on gas. They use it as a loss-leader for memberships. |
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| ▲ | ssl-3 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Watching prices makes sense. People spend money on gas, and sometimes one Costco has cheaper gas than another does. The two Costcos that are nearest to me are listed at $3.65 and $3.79 right now. They're ~25 minutes apart. I think it would be fair to say that there's thousands of people living in-between where the difference in driving distance is irrelevant. But if they decide that buying gas is a thing they're going to do today, and they can quickly compare the prices beforehand, then: They can use that data to help make an informed decision. A 14-cent price delta isn't much, but if 11 gallons are purchased then it's enough to cover the price of a Costco hot dog and Coke (with refill). Not bad at all. --- Additionally: While Costco seemingly doesn't make (much) money on gas, that doesn't mean that they're always cheaper. Suppose I were making a Costco trip today and I also need to buy gas. I'd be heading to the Costco that has gas for $3.65 because that one is much closer for me. But I can get gas for $3.62 right now at the station down the block from my house. There's no line there (there's never a line there), there's no membership proof to futz around with, and it's super easy to get in and out of. Since I have enough easy information to make an informed decision, then: I can tell that the smart move is to plan on skipping whatever line may be present at Costco's gas station and just buy gas down the block. This will save me both time and money. But tomorrow? Who knows. The situation may be different, so I may make a different decision. | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Watching gas prices makes sense. Watching Costco gas prices does not. Their gas is not sold without the membership factor attached. You're selecting for an additional variable of nearby Costco members when you choose to track Costco gas prices. If Costco memberships decline, prices need to slowly rise. If Costco memberships rise, their gas prices can go lower. | |
| ▲ | lafond 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Exactly the mentality I had while building the site | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just fill up when I’m low on gas at the nearest gas station. It’s not worth my time to save $1.50 a fill up when I fill up ~50 times a year, that’s only $75. Spending any amount of time to save 20.5 cents per day is not worth it to me. | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | In my travels, the delta is often much greater than ~15 cents. Today is an unusually-consistent day in this market area. I'd love say that keeping an eye on gas prices and trying to time the market to buy on the right day are things that make poor use of my time. That sounds very nice. I don't have the financial means to turn a blind eye to these kinds of costs, though. Things are rough over here. | |
| ▲ | za3faran 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What is more important that those $75 is whether or not the gas offered at the other station is Top Tier grade. Costco always is as far as I can tell. (I am not affiliated with Costco in any way shape or form) |
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| ▲ | saagarjha 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | https://xkcd.com/951/ | |
| ▲ | za3faran 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > But I can get gas for $3.62 right now at the station down the block from my house. But is that gas station selling Top Tier[1] gas? As far as I'm aware, Costco always sells Top Tier, and now they're rolling out Top Tier+. [1] https://www.toptiergas.com/about-top-tier/ |
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| ▲ | avgDev 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I disagree. The prices still move with the price of oil. Their margins are just lower. | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The prices move on dozens of other factors, most of which include the word "supply" however some do not. Using Costco as an example will add "membership retention factor" into the mix of factors for price. Better to track all the Sunoco or BP or Mobil stations directly. |
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| ▲ | jmpman a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I started screenshotting my local Costco warehouse gas prices weekly since the week prior to Trump's inauguration, mostly so my Trump supporting brother inlaw couldn't just spew his Fox brainwashing on me without me hitting back with this data. |
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| ▲ | hydrogen7800 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I've been tracking every fuel purchase I've made for 12 years now across 5 or 6 different cars. Not sure what I'll ever do with that information, but I suppose it may come in handy for a political argument. | |
| ▲ | Waterluvian a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’d be amazed if it actually changed anything with him. | | |
| ▲ | jmpman a day ago | parent [-] | | Oh it won't, doesn't mean I'm not planning to rub it in his face. |
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| ▲ | jerlam a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's too bad there's no API to find the current wait time at the Costco gas station. I'm not going to spend an extra hour of my day to save $5. |
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| ▲ | BeetleB 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There was a blog post around 10 years ago where someone did the math and found the extra wait wasn't worth the savings if you value your time. For me, locally, there's a grocery store chain that also has gas stations. If you are a member (which is free), you get a discounted rate on gas - usually only 3-5 cents more per gallon than Costco. And if you do enough groceries in a 3 month period, you occasionally get an additional 10-20 cents off your next filling, which makes it cheaper than Costco. They're also open a lot more hours than Costco gas. And their lines are shorter. I don't see the point of going to Costco to get gas. | | |
| ▲ | kyleee an hour ago | parent [-] | | Costco seems to be a rare responsible organization, treat people decently, don’t gouge customers (they aim for a pretty standard not too high margin), etc. So I know that is definitely a factor for some in terms of choosing Costco as much as possible | | |
| ▲ | BeetleB an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I'm happy to do my shopping there. Just not gas and tires. |
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| ▲ | lafond a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If only they exposed this data!! Would have been so fun adding the display to the site | |
| ▲ | plandis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does it routinely take an hour to get gas at Costco near you? Even when the lines are at capacity the Costco I go to (north of Seattle in Shoreline), I never wait more than like five minutes. | |
| ▲ | dominotw a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i go befoe costoco opens at 7am . they have different timings. | | |
| ▲ | caminante a day ago | parent [-] | | Or don't go at 9AM with the Executive rush. Wait 30m. | | |
| ▲ | phil21 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Doesn’t matter at all for my local Costco. It’s busy open to close with very little variance. The only times I’ve seen it relatively empty were during bad storms. That said, it’s not an hour wait. Around 20 minutes is average, but I rarely fill up there since I value my time much more than that. | | |
| ▲ | jerlam 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't live at Costco so it's going to be 30 minutes just back and forth. My Costco does have quieter times, but then I have to plan around it. It never made the slightest bit of sense to make a separate trip for $5. |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just wait until you have an EV! Then you will get to wait in line for an outlet, and then wait while the electrons trickle into your tank! Good times. | | |
| ▲ | jerlam 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's no line in my garage. Also most of the public chargers are networked, so you know when they are busy. | |
| ▲ | powerbroker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 90% of my EV sessions are at home, at a personal time commitment of 5 seconds to open the charging hatch and plug-in. Maybe 5% of my EV charges take 30 minutes while I'm enjoying a meal or ... wasting time waiting in the car for it to complete at a fast 200 kW charge rate. | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Let's nevermind this nonsense about waiting in lines.. I want to know more about what is happening to electrons after they trickle into your tank. Where do they end up when you go for a drive? Are we pumping them back into the air? |
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