| ▲ | Freak_NL 4 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is not a software issue (not directly). Sure, the software has a bug. Software does. Almost always. What is broken here is that it is possible to get stuck in an airport with no possibility of escalating sensibly to a chain of human beings with agency to resolve it. You could have a software process which works 99.9% of the time, and have staff at hand which could solve any solvable remaining issues like this one. They call the Home Office internal hotline, explain the issue, resolve it by manually interfering on the spot (and have a bug filed), and everyone carries on. Instead, we demand a 100% correct system, and save money on actually having people around who can deal with the edge cases and make sure everyone has a good time. Of course, getting a project from 99.9% to 100% costs a lot of money, because that includes literally all edge cases ever (getting to 100% is as likely as reaching ∞ by multiplying any given starting number by 2 until you reach it), and so it will likely end up being more expensive in budget overruns than the 99.9% plus humans system. Obviously, politicians must choose for the fictional 100% case, because they can't afford the cheaper 99.9% plus human one. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | da_chicken 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
You still likely need a human bypass. "I was injured or disfigured so my face no longer anything for you to compare to. I do not now, and never shall again resemble the image in the system." Similar things happen when you require fingerprints or retinal scans. "Well, I don't have a right hand anymore. It's in some hospital's incinerator." And not having an override or bypass is a software issue. Designing a system that doesn't permit exceptions or overrides is bad software design. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yeah, absolutely horrible situation to put people in, let bugs stay unfixed that leads people to being stranded in foreign countries with no clear resolution in hours, and on top of that neither parties seem to be interested in just fuzzing up and fixing the fucking problem. > Monique Hawkins, the acting chief executive of the immigration campaign group the3million, said it had seen previous cases similar to Webb’s, adding that it highlighted vulnerabilities in the system and it was “crucial that people have a genuinely stable means by which to prove their status”. > She told Politico the eVisa rollout had been “rushed”, adding: “We regularly see people not only denied boarding, but also compensation, as carriers and the Home Office play a blame game shifting responsibility between each other.” | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | whstl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
This is also a big problem at companies. Previous company had full payments/accounts team, a few QAs, a couple accountants and SRE working on the automation of a specific payment edge case that was normally handled through support, and was taking 5-10 mins to handle per case. Whole thing took four-five months. In the first year, less than 100 people used it, out of a few million. It was B2C, so after taxes, that amount was maybe enough to cover a couple days of lunch for the people who worked on it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | throw0101d 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
> This is not a software issue (not directly). What's really stupid is not being allowed to get on the flight at all. Like: she's not labelled as a "terrorist", so just let her on the flight as she's not likely to make the plane explode, and let the customs folks take her as a one-off to be dealt with on home soil. Why is it necessary to be pre-approved to even get on the flight? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | mcfedr 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
unfortunately this has become typical in Britain, no one can be trusted to have any responsibility or agency. its all systems with room for the real world | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | MarceliusK 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
I mostly agree but I think the bar for the software still has to be unusually high when the failure mode is "you are not allowed to enter the country you legally live in"... The human fallback is essential, but it shouldn't become the thing that makes a fundamentally unreliable system acceptable | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | ksec 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
>and have staff at hand which could solve any solvable remaining issues like this one. They call the Home Office internal hotline, explain the issue, resolve it by manually interfering on the spot (and have a bug filed), and everyone carries on. This may be possible some 15+ years ago. Home Office today is very different. Without a prober procedure written down I doubt this could be solved manually. Nor would anyone want to solve it manually. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | teeray 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
> What is broken here is that it is possible to get stuck in an airport with no possibility of escalating sensibly to a chain of human beings with agency to resolve it This is another instance of the usual hubris of management in thinking that automation has solved all the problems without creating any of its own, therefore all the humans are now made redundant. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | iso1631 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
“In the rare cases where errors are identified, the majority of cases are resolved within 24 hours.” The Home Office indicated the problem Webb encountered had since been fixed and that staff would contact her directly. so yes, they can and do override the system. Also the person wasn't stuck in the airport, they were denied boarding of the plane because there was an issue with their identification documentation. It's not good, its a travesty that you even need an ID to fly between two european countries, let alone a visa, but the picture you paint is at odds with reality. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||