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sschueller 3 hours ago

Enterprise's peace of mind is being able to use the model and not have the US government decide on a whim to block access.

Additionally I may want to run attack simulations which requires the removal of safeguards. My only option is to use an open model I can run on my own hardware.

eightysixfour 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You think the US can’t, on a whim, decide US companies can’t use Chinese models? They already showed exactly how they would do it - designate it a supply chain risk and say anyone using it can’t be a provider to the government.

nicoburns 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For non-US companies, the supply chain risk is probably higher with US models. The US government has already removed access to some models (Fable). IIRC that particular incident also affected US companies.

sschueller 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How exactly is that going to be enforced? Anyway I am not actually talking about US based companies.

hyperpape 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> How exactly is that going to be enforced?

Flow chart:

1. Is your company run by fuckwits? If no: they will not try to trick the US government about whether they are using prohibited models when the government asks. Your CISO will block access. We're done. If yes, continue to #2.

2. Are they the specific brand of fuckwits who would try to trick the US government about whether they are using prohibited models? If no: They will probably still not let you use those models, but maybe they'll be bad at enforcement. If yes: this is probably not the kind of company that it will serve your long term interests to work for, but have fun with the prohibited models.

eightysixfour 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> How exactly is that going to be enforced?

How is anything enforced on B2G agreements? Contractually & legally, which turns into internal policy, which shuffles the risk on to the rogue dev deciding to use GLM instead of the mandated Grok subscription.

This is literally the playbook they ran for Claude. I know folks who work for government contractors who were immediately going through the evals to get rid of Anthropic because it became a risk for them.