Amazing. no humans are willing to do this type of work for under a hundred dollars like LLMs and would've taken a year or more.

I think LLMs open up a great new vector for jailbreaking old devices or firmwares that no longer get factory updates.

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undersuit 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Humans do it for free. I've got two Amazon Fire tables from a fire sale for $15 each and used a package, that exploits the SOC, from the XDA forums to install full Android on them. Every smartphone I've had before this free Oneplus Nord N30 was rooted and then and had a custom android installed, many of the root processes relied on doing exploits all the way back to my CyanogenMod days.

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zuzululu 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean finding exploits yourself on devices especially ones without much public knowledge or discussion around it.

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undersuit 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You would search the internet. Now you ask the thing that destructively searched the internet.

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mdjxjdidn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

and then it copies a solution from somewhere (with your expert guidance that you're discounting for some reason) and you write a blog post about how smart it is and the fake price you paid since Claude Max is still selling $200 for $1

this won't be the same story when SoftBank and Oracle go under, the compute is no longer subsidized, and the same experiment costs _literally_ $26000 based on analyst estimates of the real opex

security groups at big orgs can swing that kind of price but most of us won't and that customer base won't be enough to sustain the labs, all that's ever going to be left is niche uses of open weight models IF anyone can afford to continue to train them so they don't become immediately out of date

we'll see

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benlivengood 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The actual rooting work in the article was done on open-weights models through OpenRouter. That would require global coordination to shut down.

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baist0 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"analyst estimates of the real opex" interesting! any links?

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zweifuss 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My gut feeling says to not trust this analysis (off by at least a magnitude). Care to share a link so I can be certain?

	▲	ndjdkdkdm 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		sorry for the throwaways but the math is off by an order of magnitude because I fucked it up in my head while commenting, by exactly that much lol 2000~ not 20000~ whoops

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s1artibartfast 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn't know that there were shredding websites after they scrape them too.

	▲	undersuit 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		The reaction to the scanning is to remove resources, shutdown, paywall, etc.
	▲	wrl 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		They DDoS them.

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baist0 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

... by spending money!