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gumby 4 hours ago

Slovakia has had a longstanding pro-Russia political stance and supports Russia’s invasion of Ukraine (and opposes the EU sanctions).

You reap what you sow, MFs!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_opposition_to_sanctions...

vrganj 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One could say that Fico himself is a Russian backdoor...

chimpontherun 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it amusing that the biggest supporters or Russia in its current war of aggression against Ukraine are/were Hungary, Slovakia, and Serbia -- precisely the countries that should know better, since they were the principal recipients the "love and friendship" from Russia:

- Hungary: November of 1956

- Slovakia: "spring" of 1968

- Serbia: the Stalin's betrayal at the end of WW2

codedokode 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hungary and Slovakia are largest importers of Russian natural gas in Europe. France is third as I remember.

toasty228 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Older people in these countries have good memories of that time, employment and housing were basically a given, healthcare and public transportation were solved, etc. They're very easy to manipulate, promise them a 13th month of pension and they'll vote for you.

I don't think you understand how bad globalization fucked up these countries, people live with their parents until they're 30+, young people can't find decent jobs, etc.

kakacik 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

No, globalization gave them as a nation a chance and they mostly didn't do any serious effort to use that. Its 1000 little decisions here and that that led to some post-soviet-sphere countries to thrive, while others stumble and generally gain prosperity mostly from being dragged into it via EU membership. Ie specifically Slovakia is / used to be a big car factory for whole EU due to low salaries. Not really something to build long term success on, ie if Ukraine would join EU all of those foreign factories would move even further east.

Sure, we can blame politicians which were mostly bad to worse and stole everything that was previously state-owned (meaning everything). But folks kept voting for them in similar fashion you describe so this is the result, its trivial to 'buy' votes with relatively low budget. I mean current PM has very tight and visible connections to Italian 'Ndrangheta mafia, he or people around him did a contract murder of reporter looking into that. He didn't ever faced jail and is back being PM like there is no tomorrow. There is only so much blame one can point outwards, you can't be dumb / do dumb shit and expect long term marvels of prosperity on Switzerland's level.

Lived in both of those countries, and they look exactly as they should given overall population efforts towards hard work, honesty, rule of law and so on. If US would be a nation of slackers and thieves it would also look very differently to how it is.

vkou 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Geopolitical decisions aren't made by countries, they are made by individual people.

Sometimes those people are a plurality that organically endorses that decision and votes some representative in. Sometimes those people are a plurality that has been brainwashed by compromised media to do it. Sometimes those people are just a small ruling elite that get voted in by people who didn't think very hard about those particular geopolitical decisions and just want, I don't know, their political and cultural enemies brutalized and $1.99 gas.

drysine 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And Japan was the sole recipient of nuclear "love and friendship" from the US

inglor_cz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Slovaks ultimately got federalization of Czechoslovakia from the crisis (1969), which both distracted them and made their memories less negative.

As far as Hungary goes, I asked my friend who studied Hungarian history. He explained to me that while the Soviet invasion was very traumatic, the subsequent Kádár "goulash socialism" was a lot more lenient on the people than all the other Soviet Bloc regimes, and that the Hungarians made an incorrectly confident conclusion that losing a small war to the Russians is not catastrophic.

Of course, this is NOT the experience of basically anyone else who happened to be in a similar situation. A potential puppet regime of Russia in Ukraine wouldn't look like Kádárs by any means, it would rather look like the Kadyrovian microstate in Chechnya, minus the Islam of course.

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ReptileMan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are there any other wars that are not of aggression? What do you gain by parroting the legalese speak? Implying that it is extra bad and extra illegal war? Not your run of the mill PG-13 war? This one is X-rated kids.

Everyone knows who the attacker is - just some people root for Russia for their own reasons. Usually tied to the internal politics of their countries - like hating for unrelated reasons the political actors from their states that happen to support Ukraine.

Cpoll 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Are there any other wars that are not of aggression?

There are concepts like wars of necessity or just wars (e.g. of liberation), but that depends on how cynical you're feeling.

spiderfarmer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My brother visited some of these countries. He said most people there are oblivious to what happened to their countries. They simply don't care. It also didn't help that everyone he met (agricultural sector) was a day-drinker.

That's why they're doomed to repeat it. Again and again.

Loughla 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's almost like people who are simply trying to survive don't have the time, energy, or space to worry about international, or even national affairs. Weird.

spiderfarmer an hour ago | parent [-]

They’re not simply trying to survive. They’re not that poor.

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dismalaf 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot of Eastern European countries have oligarchs who largely made their fortunes with help from the Russians. In Czechia one such example is the prime minister Andrej Babiš, who was a bureaucrat in a state owned business who then sold it to himself in the 90s (with the help of some "Swiss" money) and became a billionaire. He's consistently been as pro-Russia as he thinks he can get away with (the positive is that Czechs hate Russians a lot).

Also in these countries there's a lot of old people who have never been able to adapt to living in a free, capitalist society, so for them, there's some nostalgia for communism.

pmontra an hour ago | parent [-]

And maybe they mistake current Russia for a communist country? It has every single ingredient of Stalin's Russia except the pretense of socialism or communism.

dismalaf 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-says-communism-comes-bible-co...

It doesn't matter what Russia actually is. They play both sides with their propaganda. Old people who thought positively about communism still support Russia.

Fico and Babiš for example were both communist party members and both pro-Russia politicians today.

cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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koonsolo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Slovakia is heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, which started way before Corona times.

It's mainly the older people that are influenced by this, and a lot of young people either left the country already, or have concrete plans to leave.

It's really sad, how these old people are ruining the future of their children and grandchildren, really crazy.

You can say a lot about Russia, but they are very good with misinformation, it's a real threat for Europe.

My wife is from Slovakia, so I have front row seats on the whole situation. The kinds of misinformation these older people are willing to believe is really nuts.

fmajid an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Old people are ruining their grandchildren’s lives everywhere, not just in Slovakia.

fallingbananna an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's rooted in the education system to this day.

The majority of school teachers grew up under the Soviet side of cold war propaganda.

And in history education in particular, we are told that "we" have always looked towards Russia as a role model, to fight Hungarian nationalism (since the country was just part of Hungary for most of its history).

koonsolo an hour ago | parent [-]

That is possible, but I also see people who used to be very anti-Soviet, now to be anti-EU and anti-Ukraine. It's kind of like they hated Russia in the past, but now are convinced that EU and Ukraine are worse.

When in the past they would claim that the Soviet times were bad, now they would claim that it wasn't that bad in the end. That is of course because of all the horrible things that are happening in EU, like gay and trans people, and vaccinations. Terrible! Let's bring those good old Soviet days back!

pacija 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

EU promised human rights and democracy but delivered militarization and surveillance.

KronisLV 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I live in the EU, particularly in the part that Russia is looming over, Latvia.

I'm quite glad that we're not a part of Russia, where even queer people are considered extremists and critiques of the illegal war will either carry a prison sentence or being conscripted to sent to the meat grinder. The human rights situation doesn't seem perfect ofc, but that's mostly cause of right leaning views being prevalent.

I also believe that we'd probably benefit from more militarization, not less - investment into drone technology so borders and such could also be patrolled more easily to prevent or limit things like this https://www-lsm-lv.translate.goog/raksts/zinas/latvija/11.08... as well as just having a stronger NATO as a deterrent.

The push for things like Chat Control sucks and it's very easy to imagine how it will get misused, should our governing structures be compromised by a sufficiently totalitarian regime or ideology.

At least over here people still carry the memory of the Soviet deportations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_deportations_from_Latvi...

dgellow 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The EU doesn’t have an army, wtf are you talking about. The military buildup is a very recent trend, a reaction to Russia war on Ukraine

deepfriedchokes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like boomers everywhere.

throwaway_49409 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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tonyhart7 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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reaperducer 3 hours ago | parent [-]

acting like western nation didn't spy to each other

Is he? I don't see that in his comment at all. Can you point out that part to us?

Perhaps your handlers never taught you that two things can be bad at the same time.

tonyhart7 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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Yiin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

it's not about Russia being good or bad, they will do anything in their interest like every other country. What's bad is Slovakia apparently not being careful enough about that.

ricardobeat 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

so Russia is the good guy here?

tonyhart7 3 hours ago | parent [-]

now you putting word in my mouth, no one says that

but pointing "huh huh duurrr Russia is bad" while doing the same shit Russia doing is peak level irony

You don't have moral high ground

paganel 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first! Remind me again, how many British and French soldiers died protecting Poland in 1939? Tens of thousands, isn’t it? The same Brits who were fricking thinking of invading Finland in April of 1940 for daring to sign a peace treaty with the Soviets.

azan_ 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> God forbid for national politicians to think about their națion first!

Being pro-russia is being anti-Slovakian though. You get zero upside for teaming with terrorist state and all the downsides.

toasty228 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Fico get all the free shit from Europe to build his country and a boat load of free money from his personal investments in shady businesses, so in that case he does get both upsides.

trueno 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

ceding sovereignty and to many degrees cultures to another nation to kinda like be a vassal state is quite literally not thinking about your nation first lmao. even less so when the other nation funds your political ascension, like.. that's the opposite of thinking about your nation first. that's flat out doing it for the other nation man.

kstenerud 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's a pretty harsh and uninformed take. Russia operates by capturing foreign governments and making their leaders beholden to Russia's interests. When it succeeds, it happens regardless of what the populace actually wants. They've been grooming Trump (along with a dozen or so other potential up-and-comers) since the 80s (Trump was considered a long shot and too unpredictable, but fortune favors the prepared - better weak support of their enemies than full belligerence).

The Belarusians aren't too thrilled that Russian troops are operating in their country either, but Lukashenko needs Russian support to stay in power, so he walks a tightrope. Notice how noncommittal he is about pretty much everything...

koonsolo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In the case of Slovakia, it's purely Russian misinformation that was able to capture a large part of the population, mainly older people. First anti-EU, then anti-vax, and now anti-Ukraine and anti-EU.

icantevenhold 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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greenavocado 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You must be new to state sponsored malware. Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos

pbrum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Silver Fox is a very vaguely defined Chinese cybercrime group of malware and actors...or are you referring to something else?

sofixa 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Recent false flags are a thing: 2018 Olympic Destroyer, Marble Framework, Silver Fox, MuddyWater Chaos

How are any of those false flag? They're state sponsored, by different state actors.

lenkite 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It would be extremely stupid of Russia not to spy on Slovakia. If they had properly spied on Ukraine, they could have turned around 2014 and all of Nuland's "regime change" machinations. They have learned their lesson well now - do as the Americans do and spy on everyone - and most especially the "friendly" nations - by any and all means.

znnajdla 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"learned their lesson well now" - I don't think Russia has learned any lessons at all since Ukraine. Russia's sheer incompetence keeps getting worse and worse, as Prigozhin exposed on the inside. The war went from total failure to achieve any objectives for 5 years, to now 4 hour lines in Moscow to fill up your car at the gas station - i.e. Russia went from "failing to capture Kyiv in 3 days" to now "getting hit in the center of Moscow regularly".

Given the level of incompetence that Russia has demonstrated on both the political and military front, I highly doubt it could've turned anything around in Ukraine even if knew everything about 2014.