Reciprocal tariffs alone don’t make much sense, it’s just making things for Canadians more expensive with an adversary that’s larger and can sustain them longer (although how long remains to be seen with guilt yields rising.)

If they really want to hurt them start making it legal to circumvent DRM on American products and allow build meaningful replacements.

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sanderjd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We, in the US, might be able to sustain this longer economically, but Canadians can sustain this longer politically.

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morkalork 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Well it's 73 days till the midterm elections so we'll see what happens. Signing a bad deal when the political landscape could dramatically change in a few weeks never made sense.

	▲	sanderjd 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes. Same calculation the Iranians are making. Everyone knows the US election schedule and can read polls.

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jtrn 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If this was even close to true, why did basicly this exact same move work when china did it and when EU threatend to do the same before.

And from a different angle: “giving fines to firms makes no sense since they firm can only get money from customers so it’s just going to make it more expensive for the customer”.

Not an identical situatio, but to say it’s the only consequence, that it becomes more expensive for Canadian, is just not right.

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diego_moita 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Reciprocal tariffs alone don’t make much sense,

In the short run, yes. In the long run we can start replacing American imports with other countries' imports.

I want to see more fruits and vegetables from Mexico, Africa and South America in supermarkets. Give me less "Made in America" on shelves.

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kasey_junk 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You’d have to tariff fruits and vegetables like crazy to make the American varieties more expensive than oceanic shipped produce. That seems a fairly steep price for the Canadian consumer.

Which highlights the problems with tariffs, they are self harming. You have to be willing to give up better alternatives for some other reason, and food is a hard one.

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diego_moita 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> You’d have to tariff fruits and vegetables like crazy to make the American varieties more expensive than oceanic shipped produce.

Bullshit. I already see in the supermarket (Canadian Superstore) oranges from South Africa, lemons from Morocco, broccoli from Mexico, mangoes from Malaysia, fish from the Philippines, coconut from Vietnam, kiwis from Italy, etc.

Yes, oceanic shipping adds to the cost. But most of those countries already have cheaper labor, and that partially offsets the extra cost.

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kasey_junk an hour ago | parent [-]

Mangoes and South Asian fish don’t grow close to you no matter what. You don’t think bull shipping Mexican tomatoes via the ocean isn’t going to cost more than the same tomato shipped by the US land route?

If you were going to take that tariff money to build up a local tomato industry it might make sense, Canada already has a growing hot house industry. But don’t kid yourself, tariffs cost the consumer and for low margin highly seasonal and subject to going bad goods like produce is about the worst case scenario.

	▲	diego_moita 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Whatever man... If you want people to buy stuff from you Americans then just try to stop pushing forward American imperialism down into everyone's throats. This isn't just about money, it is about my country's sovereignty.