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robmccoll 5 hours ago

Huh 30% of our lumber just got 50% more expensive. Good thing we don't have shortages of affordable housing that need new construction to solve. Brilliant stuff Donald. Truly some 4D chess moves.

watutalkinbout 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You still think any of his moves are driven by 'what's good for the US'?

I think it's motivated entirely by schemes to stuff his pockets with money.

rapnie 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He's just running a kleptocracy, and doing so reasonably well.

rjzzleep 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People still happily buy his tokens though, and then blame China for getting scammed.

bdangubic 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not China’s fault but Biden’s :)

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trueno 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

indeed. i'm sure he's surrounded by some lumber moguls stateside that are going to get very rich from this. very russia coded.

i don't doubt deregulation on clearcutting as well as removing land ownership and no logging in national forests & protected lands.... are around the corner with this admin. feel like they attempted that during his last term with attempting to disgrace park rangers over wildfires and saying they didn't rake the leaves on the ground or whatever.

TehCorwiz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They already started by shrinking national monuments.

https://www.npr.org/2026/07/14/nx-s1-5893397/trump-again-shr...

EDIT: Adding a TL:DR, this article explains how the Trump admin reduced the size of two national monuments by 90% and 91% respectively. This is just one example, there are more and most of them are out west in lands untouched for nearly a century. Saved for posterity because once they're gone, they're gone.

ETH_start 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is extremely partisan language, it shouldn't be on Hacker News

xphos an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think the clamoring of the aesthetic of impartiality is destroying interesting discussion. The president is currently lining his pockets with tax payer dollars and being an overall bumbling buffoon. It is not partisan when the would view the US as weaker, less intelligent, and less reliable. Its consequences of inaction and bad policy of the current administration

forestrywat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My friend, sometimes the truth is partisan. And in those cases it absolutely belongs on HN.

cammikebrown 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh no! Not the implosion of democracy in real time!

FpUser 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You should try programming language X vs language Y, cloud vs on-prem, Framework A vs Framework B, OOP vs Composition etc., etc. HN is as partisan as it gets.

pkulak an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's already got more money than he can spend. As dementia sets in, he's been shifting more and more to pure emotion-based decision making.

Terretta 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> “motivated entirely … to stuff his pockets”

Someone's pockets, must be gnomes:

• PHASE 1: COLLECT UNDERPANTS. (tariff "foreign" goods desired by Americans, collect upon import from companies, clarify spiked prices experienced by consumers ‘entirely’ due to prior admin policies)

• PHASE 2: … (let simmer)

• PHASE 3: PROFIT. ("return" tariff costs to companies)

estearum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

April 2: Trump "liberates" Americans from low-cost goods by placing tariffs at 46% on Vietname

May 16: Vietnam approves $1.5B Trump hotel project (https://apnews.com/article/vietnam-trump-golf-estate-investm...)

July 2: US lowers tariffs on Vietnam to 20% (https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/DCPD-202500738/pdf/DCPD-...)

jaynate 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The underpants gnomes. Well played!

nielsbot 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

don’t forget his weak ego

m0llusk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's worse than that. He is so completely off that he thinks this means US builders will chose to buy US lumber instead and that will work out positively for everyone in the US.

iAMkenough 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Simultaneously believes that flooding the market with foreign beef to lower beef prices will benefit American cattlemen.

dboreham 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The "make more money" rationale is way too logical vs how this guy's brain operates. It's better understood as being like Pro Wrestling. Except the "ring" is the world economy.

brador 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He wakes up and flips a coin. He doesn’t care anyway and there’s no consequences.

Jcampuzano2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If it was a coin flip, there'd be a 50% chance he did good things every day and we'd have a significantly better outcome than we do now. Its many times worse than a coin clip.

dpkirchner 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The coin is to decide which terrible person he is going to listen to. And his weirdo followers love him for it.

hammock 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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oharapj 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There was significant talk about market manipulation - he knows what he's going to tariff and how that'll affect the stock market, so he can buy low and sell high without any risk, because he is effectively the dominant market force right now

sscaryterry 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Which one is this? Can you explain? Do his family members own Vietnamese lumber farms or something?

Love the see-how-ignorant-I-am type of comments.

ekabod 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe US lumber producers lined his pockets. Probably not.

Avicebron 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't cutting down our forests either but the stated goal of the whole exercise is to improve the US's businesses and self reliance on local industry...

estearum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"The stated goal" is stupid as fuck, especially when it comes to our literal immediate neighbor who has been a steadfast ally for the last 100+ years.

forestrywat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would anyone, even one of his supporters, care about the stated goal? The man has decades of pursuing goals other than his stated goals. You'd have to be profoundly naive.

Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Why would anyone, even one of hoods supporters, care about the stated goal?

Because regardless of the execution, this is a forcing function around a broader topic about prosperity in a nation. Tangentially it's also about potential future conflict with China (I hope not!). Both of which I think are much more interesting of a discussion than base partisan mud-slinging.

ModernMech 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And the stated goal of DOGE was to save money...

Watch what they do, not what they say. They say a lot of things, and where they can they take all positions.

Arodex 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And the unstated goal is to satisfy a senile crook stuck in the 70s (maybe the 1870s)...

realusername 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How it seems to work from his past attempts is that the business pays a bribe to try to lift it

wat10000 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's true, not everything he does is to stuff his pockets, a lot of it is just to fluff his ego or avenge perceived slights.

qwhag17 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Teknomadix 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed. Donald Trump is only the visible tip of an iceberg. Below the waterline it's a massive and all encompassing corruption, comprised of an organized multi-national cabal that touches every part of the globe and which has its roots in the world starting well before WWI. The goal of which appears has always been to enrich the people on the inside while sewing chaos. To these figures, war and peril have always been more profitable than making peace.

https://annas-archive.gl/md5/2275fbf2d96f518e54c2b72edf163f8...

bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Price is set at the margin. If America is physically incapable of supplying 100% of its own lumber needs, then that Canadian lumber is the marginal good, and the price of 100% of lumber will go up, not just the Canadian stuff.

Two things that will prevent that:

- inertia

- it's likely that Canadian lumber before the tariffs wasn't the marginal good, wasn't the highest cost supplier. If Canadian suppliers were making 10% more profit than the previously marginal supplier, the price will go up 40% instead of 50%, Canadian suppliers absorbing that 10%.

forestrywat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Or they'll raise prices by that ten percent and become the marginal supplier. No way they're going to accept a loss. (Many items shipped into the USA of late have tariff related fees.)

thephyber 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I know you're being facetious, but his entire immigration policy is to deport a large part of the construction labor pool, so he was never had a chance to make housing more affordable.

xattt 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a Canadian, I hope this crisatunity translates into rock-bottom prices for lumber at home.

csoups14 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In reality unfortunately it likely means mills will sit idle or shut down entirely. Prices might come down a little bit hopefully

sheepscreek 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Amen.

dbdr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Please be aware people reading don't know which country you are from, so using "our" is ambiguous. You could just as well have been Canadian, and it took extra deciphering to guess you're apparently from the US.

xxs 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Given "Donald" reference is beyond obvious, same if you know anything about trade, geography or housing issues.

tigereyeTO 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Both an American and a Canadian could reference Donald for the same reason: Donald imposed the tariffs.

Canada also participates in trade, is located in the same geographic continent, and is also suffering housing issues.

I too struggled to identify which “our” the comment referred to

uxp100 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think Canada doesn’t have housing issues?

dessimus 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This comment seems exactly like the school room exercise where the teacher hands out a test with a paragraph of instructions that includes the text buried in it: "do not answer any questions below" and students rush through the test and fail because they didn't bother reading the entire comment before ripping off their own because "our" is ambiguous. There is plenty of context in the comment, even for non-North Americans, since its very unlikely "Donald" was referring to famed Canadian-actor Donald Sutherland.

Or would you prefer every comment on HN to begin with: "As a/an $CountryDemonym..." or other requisite bona fides?

sghiassy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Art of the Deal

steveBK123 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

His negotiating methods, if one can call them that, are like "single use weapons" that are relationship burning rather than building. If you are doing 100s of one-off deals with counterparties you will never talk to again, and who don't know each other.. it might actually work.

But you burn the ability to make more deals with the same counterparty again.

If you played this game with your neighbor over a fenceline or tree limb dangerously overhanging into your yard.. you would save a few bucks once, and have an antagonistic relationship for the next 10-20 years of living next to them. Good luck getting the benefit of the doubt next time.

amelius 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Meanwhile mister Trump is doing quite well financially, so he is doing something right; and your theory is not covering the whole story.

sghiassy an hour ago | parent [-]

There is something to be said about this.

Apparently Machiavelli was onto something

ozim an hour ago | parent [-]

Tell me you didn't read "The Prince" without telling me you didn't read it.

Machiavelli wasn't writing about self enrichment and general asshattery, he was writing about doing bad thing just because person in power has to do bad things and if you won't do those required bad things your rule will end up badly soon.

I do believe as a US president you still have to do bad things but not as bad as medieval prince.

Side note: "The Prince" is not that long you can find it easily online.

sghiassy 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I haven’t read it ;)

debo_ 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Tell me you didn't read "The Prince" without telling me you didn't read it.

Do you have to talk like this? How difficult is it to rewrite this as "I don't believe this is the message conveyed in The Prince."

Loughla 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Honestly though, it seems like he would rather have everyone lose than take a chance that anyone but him wins.

Even positive reporting of the man makes him out to have a massively fragile ego.

padjo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

He fundamentally does not understand non zero sum dynamics.

adjejmxbdjdn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Imagine seeing American wealth increase dramatically over the past several decades, see tax burdens drastically reduced on the top 0.1%, and see almost all of that drastic increase in wealth go to that 1%, and not be able to come up with a solution other than “well, against all evidence I think trade is zero sum”.

And worse, your solution then is tariffs, which are little more than a sales tax which are disproportionately paid by the poorest.

WarmWash 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This is a painfully "coastal elite" take, and totally misses why blue collar middle America fell over themselves to get Trump in office.

Trump is doing exactly the things the people who voted for him want him to do, however backwards that is on the whole or however backwards it appears to white collar well paid service industry workers (the richest class of Americans,richer than the 1%, FYI)

preg_match 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's crab bucket mentality. Poor Americans think if they just fuck over enough other people things will magically improve for them. But that's not how it works.

The cost of living skyrocketing is bad for blue collar workers. They suffer the most, actually, because proportionally more of their income is eaten. Salary-paid workers eat the cost much better. The wealthy, even better.

Wages are not increasing fast enough to replace the cost of food and materials. Materials matter because they make up everything. In the interim, hourly-paid employees are suffering.

WarmWash 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

You cannot increase wages without the money to do so. The factories are broke too. Manufacturing has these fundamental deficits that make it very capital punishing compared to software or finance, or consulting.

Britain is a better example of this because it's much smaller. But the country is pretty much London with wealthy desk workers, and then the rest of country with hollowed out industry that is borderline 3rd world.

misnome 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

e.g. hurting the right people, _even if it hurts us too_

WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's easy to be upset when you see the wealthiest class of Americans spend all their money on cheap Chinese versions of what you build. Not even because they cannot afford your products, but simply because they can cost cut by going with China.

This rot is also existential, because as domestic players die, that knowledge is also lost.

fzeroracer an hour ago | parent [-]

The wealthiest Americans aren't buying shit from China, I have no clue where you managed to get that point from but they're buying boutique shit from Europe or elsewhere.

American-made goods have the worst cost:quality ratio for multiple reasons. Capitalism hollowing out quality, businesses capturing markets. They sit in an area which are unaffordable for your average American as a result of the middle class vanishing and not boutique enough for the wealthier ones.

People voted for a wealthy man to loot everything and he's doing exactly that.

WarmWash 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

Like I said in my earlier post, the richest group of Americans is not the 1%. It's middle/upper middle/upper class suburbia.

This is even more pronounced because these are the people with cash who spend it. Billionaires aren't bingeing Amazon, shien and temu. That 60-90% class of Americans are the backbone of the economy. And they buy tons, tons, and more tons of Made in China.

cheonic025 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Avicebron 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The business-as-usual multi-international neoliberal supply chain model wasn't benefiting a vast number of Americans with no solution other than "don't complain look at these metrics we made up, you're doing great, don't be upset we are making billions while you struggle to afford to fix your teeth or fix your car". Something had to break and break it did.

If you are so non-zero sum, what would you suggest as the fix for those issues if we kept the old model?

padjo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Americans are upset about not having any money while being the richest and most powerful country in the world. They are throwing a temper tantrum about a world order they created and are the main beneficiary of.

dbdr 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's a class of americans that didn't benefit from that world order. However, they elected someone who pretended he was going to help them, and actually is making it even worse for them and better for those who were already benefiting.

WarmWash 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The reality is that people judge their quality of life in relevant terms, not absolute ones.

Better to be absolutely poor in a poor country than relatively poor in a rich country and all that

dpkirchner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Before engaging, let's get this settled: do you believe that the US economy operates on a zero sum basis?

Avicebron 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No it's not zero sum but it can also not be benefiting a ton of people. Which is what I said..

g8oz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Progressive taxation.

LastTrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would suggest not going with the dumbest rock you can find and standing behind it against all evidence.

vel0city 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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kstenerud 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Trump is and always has been a one-trick-pony: Shock and awe with a ridiculously over-the-top threat to shake his opponent and anchor the discussion high, then "accept" a deal that's better than any that could have been achieved with a calm opponent (pure bullying).

His second weapon is throwing a monkey wrench into the works after agreeing to something. Keep the opponent on their back heel.

It works well, until it doesn't. Once you meet an opponent who stands firm no matter what you threaten, you lose your bargaining position. Carney is well-versed in this kind of negotiation.

steveBK123 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Right it probably works in real estate if you aren’t dealing with the same trading partners often. It is a business where dirtbag behavior is the norm.

May also explain why he stopped doing actual NYC RE dev and moved onto his licensing model in dozens of cities (new pools of suckers).

But when every threat & walk back is covered in national media, and he is playing the same game with the same big trading partners .. it loses its effect. Similarly he’s quite old and certainly lost any touch he had.

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softwaredoug 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Lumber is not part of these tariffs. These are on a narrow set of products.

Lumber is a different long standing trade dispute going back to the 80s unrelated to the industries targeted by the 50% tariffs.

Trump created a 10% Lumber tariff in Sept 2025, but it was already tariffed before that. Canadian lumber today isn’t suddenly 50% more expensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_s...

dawnerd 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

True but it won’t stop price gouging or as the company uses have been calling it price blending.

sanderjd 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This does not seem to be accurate, from the reporting I've read. Do you have a source?

softwaredoug 3 hours ago | parent [-]

This article lists the specific industries. Lumber is not one of them. It lists

Motor Vehicles, Alcohol, and Dairy as the largest industries.

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-of-us-trade-tariffs-hitti...

bamboozled 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The new duties are in addition to existing tariffs on Canadian steel, aluminum and lumber.

According to your own article lumber is included already You’re wrong. It was already 45%!

softwaredoug 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes the average is currently 45%. But that’s been like that since Sept 2025, when Trump increased it 10% with section 232 tariffs. Here’s the executive order

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/full_text/html/202...

The new 50% tariffs don’t suddenly make Canadian lumber more expensive. It was already expensive.

This was all being negotiated together between Canada and US, but it’s not part of the new tariffs.

albedoa 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That quote supports the claim being made by the person who you are calling wrong.

etc-hosts 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I read the article, I don't take away from it that Canadian lumber is suddenly 50% more expensive. It explains that tariffs for some Canadian lumber products was set to 50 percent at some point (or maybe lowered again, and raised, it's hard to tell since the Trump administration has issued 50+ different tariff directives in the last year), and that Canada walked away from negotiations recently.

I tried to do some more research before my coffee finishes in 5 minutes, you're right it's not ALL Canadian products or even all Canadian lumber products.

werrett 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Canadian negotiators also hoped to achieve some relief on softwood lumber tariffs that go back decades and were augmented with additional tariffs from Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/21/world/canada/trump-tariff...

softwaredoug 3 hours ago | parent [-]

These are preexisting trade issues that were being negotiated. The new 50% tariffs are on other industries. Lumber trade issues predate this administration, and aren’t involved in the new 50% that’s put on $20B on other industries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_s...

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mattmaroon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You gotta think long term. This is going to cause all those lumber companies to plant more forests and 40 years from now when they’re big enough boom, 3 new jobs servicing the autonomous tree harvesters.

bamboozled 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was already at 45% due to previous art of the deal moves.

jLaForest 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That orange shit stain has explicitly said he want to drive housing prices up not down

inquirerGeneral 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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theoreticalmal 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Idk man I just took a trip to Forks, WA and the amount of lumber they had and were processing up there was insane

foobarbecue 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not sure if you're joking, but I remember noticing the same thing last time I spent time there (2017). Lumber yards tend to have a lot of lumber. It's kind of like when you drive by a feed lot and they have an implausible number of cows (the ones over in imperial valley amazed me). Also there's always tankers by my house in Manhattan Beach. These anecdotes are not economic indicators.

rozap 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The gas truck just came to the gas station on the corner and it's just crazy how big those things are, there's such a surplus of gas right now.

chneu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Idk about Washington but Oregon has increased logging a large amount over the last few years.

csomar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, everyone know a modern economy statistics work by what you can see with your naked eyes out there on the streets.