| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 2 days ago |
| I think a big one is robotics. A robot can today fold your laundry. It takes ~10mins per item. Seriously. It takes a long time to process the image find the corner move the claw to the corner of the shirt and attempt to straighten before folding. Robots right now generally move at glacial speeds. You might have seen robots doing flips in semi controlled environments but watch how slowly they open doors etc. processing time is a major bottleneck. |
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| ▲ | wongarsu 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Sensors are a huge challenge for robotics. We have very precise force-feedback on our joints, pressure and heat (temperature gradient) sensors all over our body, and our hands have a sensor density that allows us to count needle heads and detect the exact grip strength needed by feeling the micro-slippage of objects in our hands. Robots don't have that. You can do backflips with pretty much just visual sensors for your environment, a good IMU for your spatial orientation, and some feedback on the position of a small number of really beefy joints and the force exerted on them. Folding laundry and opening doors is much more difficult, and trying to compensate with mostly vision requires going slow enough that things have time to move over appreciable distances before you take the next adjustment |
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| ▲ | andriy_koval a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > We have very precise force-feedback on our joints, pressure and heat (temperature gradient) sensors all over our body You can do all the same with robots.
Current advantage of human that on top of imperfect sensor data we have hyper-efficient brain connecting all dots and making calculations and approximations, and this gap looks very closeable today. | |
| ▲ | fallingfrog 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Side note but I'm convinced that people wanting to improve touch sensitivity in robots need to look at frequency detail of tactile data, not spatial detail. Try this: Put your finger on a bumpy wall without moving it at all and see what you feel. Not much. Now move your finger across the wall. All sorts of detail jumps out. I think the human tactile system is reading changing pressure in the time domain and translating that into the spatial domain as the finger scans across the surface. |
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| ▲ | Alien1Being 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Xiaomi robots do this in double digit seconds. Still slow compared to humans, but Chinese robots will be as successful as Chinese EVs, phones and solar panels. |
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| ▲ | kaashif 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Which is to say, they'll be banned in the US. | | |
| ▲ | qzw a day ago | parent | next [-] | | How long until we’re like Cuba, still tooling around in 50s cars. But maybe that’ll actually be seen as some kind of Luddite utopia in the future. | |
| ▲ | warkdarrior 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | The 1950s in US didn't have vaccines, robots, or data centers. |
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| ▲ | infecto 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | ~1min per shirt in a controlled environment. Better but still far away. | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval a day ago | parent [-] | | Also, 24h 365d, which is superior to humans. | | |
| ▲ | infecto a day ago | parent [-] | | And? Still in a controlled environment. I cannot pick one up today from a store. | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval a day ago | parent [-] | | laundry folding is some superficial benchmark, real impact will be made in controlled environments in factories, packing centers, etc. | | |
| ▲ | infecto a day ago | parent [-] | | And? Please scroll the start of this thread. Robotics is a long way off, we need better models and more compute. I am not sure what you are arguing for. | | |
| ▲ | andriy_koval a day ago | parent [-] | | My point is that robotics is not long way off, but already has strong utility and gradually taking over more and more functions. | | |
| ▲ | infecto 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | How many years have people been saying that? Remind me of this post in 5 years. |
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| ▲ | segmondy 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You must not have been paying attention to development with robots, there are many videos of robots moving really fast in "non controlled environments" |
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| ▲ | airstrike 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, I think I saw one in a video titled "Robocop" | |
| ▲ | infecto 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Most of these videos are still controlled in some manner. We are not yet at the age of throwing a robot in a home and doing n different dynamic tasks. | |
| ▲ | TheAceOfHearts 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Honestly, most of the videos I've seen of robots moving around quickly aren't actually doing anything useful. We've had really impressive tech demos for the past 15 years of robots dancing and jumping around. But I don't want a dancing robot, I want a robot to make me a BLT, wash my dishes, take out the trash, and fold my laundry. The most recent video which actually impressed me was a demonstration from Gemini Robotics 2, where a robot was shown autonomously removing the bag from a trash can and folding the loops closed in real time. I don't follow robotics advances closely so it's possible I'm just ignorant, do you know any autonomous robotics demonstrations of useful activities that you would suggest checking out? |
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| ▲ | euroderf a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Shirt folding is piker stuff. The acid test (imho) will be to cleanse a bathroom & shower (or tub) top to bottom. Sparkling and provably sterile. Special treatment for mold on fixtures and walls, and for leftover body stuff (blood, mucus, fungus, what have you). |
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| ▲ | andai 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wait til the robots get on Cerebras, it'll set your pants on fire. |
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| ▲ | CodingJeebus 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Have LLMs improved at being able to process physics-based problems and environments? I remember that issue being discussed around generative gaming a while ago but I hadn't heard much about it recently. |
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| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Transformers in general are huge but if you say LLM you’re specifically saying the language model transformer. Robots use vision transformers |
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