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gruez 7 hours ago

>Amendment 4:

He was charged for destroying evidence, not refusing a search

>Amendment 5:

Destroying evidence isn't testimony. Moreover he would have been in the clear if he just kept his mouth shut.

fedpost an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Problem is, he didn't destroy shit. "He" (by which I mean, technically the agents) deleted a header that's used to encrypt data but can restored from a backup.

MBCook an hour ago | parent [-]

Deleting isn’t destroying?

fedpost 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure, but the issue is he didn't delete his data, he deleted a header with a key in it, that's it, just a few MB. He didn't delete hundreds of GB of chats or browsing history, he deleted a key to access it and that key isn't necessarily the only one that can access it. All the stuff they want can still be accessed just fine if another copy of the key exists.

To put it in protective, just opening a web browser or some other app can delete/alter more data than was deleted in this case.

hamper653 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> He was charged for destroying evidence, not refusing a search

Evidence with regard to which investigation?

someguydave an hour ago | parent [-]

Border agents are entitled to investigate anything for any reason more or less

wnmurphy an hour ago | parent [-]

If you are a US citizen, they are not entitled to your unlocked phone. They need a judicial warrant if they want you to unlock your phone with a PIN/password. It is settled case law that that falls under your protections under the 14th Amendment.

They can take it for a "reasonable amount of time" (inconvenience you for a few hours and make you miss your connecting flight) while they copy an encrypted image. They then must return it to you.

sgc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems like the best course of action would be to argue he did not destroy evidence, just made it unavailable at the location to force the requirement for a search warrant. It would probably be a hard sell, but I can't think of a better argument (not a lawyer).

cube00 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Moreover he would have been in the clear if he just kept his mouth shut.

Although then you get a possible delay of undefined duration, additional questioning and seizure of your device.

krapp 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Evidence" of what, exactly? What specific crime did they expect to find evidence of on his phone?

myrmidon 7 hours ago | parent [-]

They were pretty obviously hoping to find a specific crime to accuse him of (because he is a protester against the Atlanta "Cop City" thing).

But no respectable judge would ever have issued a search warrant on the basis of "we want to rifle through his messages/contacts so we can hopefully accuse him of something".

Protesters against this exact same thing were mis-prosecuted under "domestic terrorism" and "racketeering" charges before (got dismissed in 2025).

josefritzishere 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Evidence of what? Destroying evidence assumes he is guilty of a crime which there be evidence of. Our system is predicated on an assumption of innocence. The normal threshold to accuse is a "reasonable, articulable suspicion." This does not meet that criteria.

gruez 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well that's the thing with destroying evidence. If you destroyed it, it becomes harder (or impossible) to prove you did the crime. That's why it's not uncommon for people to be only charged with stuff like "obstruction of justice" rather than the actual crime they allegedly did.

tosti 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But you can't assume someone committed a crime.

mingus88 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In this case, the authorities are claiming they were looking for CSAM. So wiping the phone hindered a valid investigation.

They can say anything they want. They hold all the power. This will never change until enough people take matters into their own hands, as the system has been compromised.

bot403 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what if he was erasing a steamy affair with a border patrol agent? That's not illegal, but releasing knowledge of it could be damaging to all parties for no reason.

markhahn an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

if the only evidence of a crime is on your phone, what kind of crime is it?

we should always be asking: is this the only way you can prove the accusation? just because it would make LEO life easier - that's not justification for violating the constitution.

an consider what this case teaches us: clean up your devices before you cross a border. how does that even help the goal of law enforcement?

tempodox 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Our system is predicated on an assumption of innocence.

In theory. In practice, this is a hopelessly outdated supposition.

Varelion 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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gruez 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Please try again with an actual argument rather than attacking people based on which "side" I'm on.

Humorist2290 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is there any question the person who was baselessly charged with CSAM, then terrorism when they realized it was so obviously untenable, as a pretense to detain him would've been treated differently if he were on a different "side"?

gruez 7 hours ago | parent [-]

>the person who was baselessly charged with CSAM, then terrorism

Source? Are we still talking about Samuel Tunick? The article doesn't mention it, and so far as I can tell he was only charged at the border crossing for obstruction.

SauciestGNU 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not "charged" as in indicted but the search was based on an accusation that he had CSAM on the device. But his political proclivities make it pretty transparent that CSAM was an invented excuse to investigate and punish a political dissident.

Varelion 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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gruez 7 hours ago | parent [-]

"obese nazis"?