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shakna 20 hours ago

I wholeheartedly believe the AI controversy on destroying books is being stirred up by the companies themselves.

Copyright law requires you destroy a book, if you format shift it. If you digitise, you need to ensure its not a "copy" but that your one license went with the book.

So... If enough people complain, they get to pressure for copyright changes. Which will just so happen to have massive carveouts to let them do whatever they want.

altcognito 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"You own a particular physical copy; you don't possess an abstract transferable 'one-copy license."

There is nothing that says you have to destroy something because you scanned it. This argument has been confusing me since I've seen this pop up.

Edit; despite the above, looking at the court documents from the Anthropic case, this is pretty close to what they were arguing: “we are just transferring the physical form we purchased, therefore it is legal.”

I still dont think there is a requirement to destroy the book, but since there isn’t a reason to store the book and they can’t sell it, they probably just took the cheapest route. It might be worth an argument that they only purchased the right to use the digital copies while the physical copies exist, but I’m in over my head from a copyright standpint

hnfong 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe the law doesn't explicitly say that. But it's easier for lawyers for AI companies to argue the case if they destroyed it. "Look, there's only one copy! We didn't make additional copies!"

It's also probably more convenient for them to destroy the books as opposed to trying to find space to store them. Knowing those companies, most likely they'd be just stuffed into some warehouse to rot after a couple years.

breezybottom 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Since when do AI companies care about the law? Most of their training data is pirated.

shakna 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The headlines about destruction came not soon after they got rapped on the knuckles and told "no more pirating".

tkel 14 hours ago | parent [-]

No, the destructive book scanning was happening before that.

shakna 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Right. Because that's the easiest way to comply with the law. I'm not arguing that.

I am, arguing that they're using it to make headlines, and stir up anger, as a wedge to trigger changes to copyright. Easier to make more than one change, once the door is opened up.

blooalien 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Since when do AI companies care about the law? Most of their training data is pirated.

I imagine since the law recently cost one of them truckloads of money for their violations of it?