Apple :

"In 2012, Apple joined the PRISM data collection program run by the National Security Agency (NSA)."

"The firm added that between 1 December 2012 and 31 May 2013 it received between 4,000 and 5,000 requests from US law enforcement for customer data, involving between 9,000 and 10,000 accounts or devices. It did not say with how many it had complied."

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autoexec an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Whatever number they give publicly on how many US law enforcement requests they received you can be sure that number won't include anything they turned over the NSA which is probably everything in their cloud all of the time. We know they backdoored the devices (https://www.cultofmac.com/news/nsa-spyware-allegedly-gives-b...)

	▲	paimapi 11 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		from NIST [0] to AT&T [1], the NSA has always had a backdoor into huge swathes of data created or transmitted through whatever means along with having Congress laws passed to retroactively make all of this collection legal [2] it really makes you wish that the lesson the Ruby Ridge far-right took away was simple anti-authoritarianism and not the antisocial tendencies of racial separatism and a Judeo-Christian theocracy [0] https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/ethic... [1] https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/the-whistleblower-who-unc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...

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detourdog 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn’t find this in the article where did this come from? I remember when Apple suddenly shutdown the developer network to deal with a security breach in 2013.

https://giga.law/daily-news/2013/07/22/apples-developer-site...

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john_strinlai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

just as a point of comparison, google had 25,879 requests involving 42,500 accounts in approximately the same time period (january 1 through june 2013)

google complied with ~65% of the requests

("fun" tidbit: the number for the last half year are 304,915 requests for 748,478 accounts, and google complied with.... 98%!)

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hulitu 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> google had ... requests

Official requests.

	▲	john_strinlai 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>Official requests. obviously. i dont have access to the number of gag-order requests, and if i did, i wouldnt be posting them on hn

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kakacik 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Google's privacy ain't main/one of main selling point since we all know how things work in ad business.

If apple was principally against sharing those things they wouldnt be joining the very organization made for that.

Plus any public statement from anybody, unless forced by court, shouldnt be taken as facts. We have no way of knowing if it was 25k cases or 25 million cases, and they have no reason to tell such non-public truth if its harmful to them.

	▲	john_strinlai 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		my comment is primarily to give a sense of scale. you don't know whether "4,000 to 5,000 requests" is a lot or a little if you have no point of comparison. i am not commenting on the conclusions, everyone should have the opportunity to draw those themselves.

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jrexilius 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You understand that there is difference between US law enforcement and the intelligence community? And that all service providers are required, by law in almost ALL countries, to respond to legal requests from their governments? What you are citing is not any serious evidence of some shadowy conspiracy between apple and the "government".. Not that I believe Apple's bullshit about protecting users privacy, but you're grasping at straws there.