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unixhero 6 hours ago

It's great for shopping. But in the US you have amazon prime. We don't.

dogman1050 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have Prime, but I can't imagine installing the Amazon app either. The website works just fine.

nntwozz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is the way. It's prudent to treat apps with skepticism, it's unfortunate it's come to this.

I study Apple's Privacy Nutrition Labels religiously every time I consider installing an app.

I like the ones with "Data Not Collected".

woadwarrior01 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm an app developer and all my apps have the "Data Not Collected" privacy nutrition label. I love the idea, but Apple's enforcement of it is very lackadaisical. I've reported dozens of apps that were blatantly lying on their privacy nutrition labels to Apple and I'm yet to see any such app's nutrition label change.

Here's a good overview of the problem: https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.02658v3

voakbasda 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why have rules (or laws) if they don’t enforce them? Or only enforce them selectively when they feel it necessary, such as when not doing so would threaten your stock price (or re-election campaign)? Maybe I just answered my own question?

Reminds me of meat processing regulations. I can sell my animals whole to buyers through a custom processing exemption, but they must go pick up their meat from the butcher. The law says I cannot pick up and deliver it, but it is trivial to find people advertising that extra service. Reporting them does not result in any obvious action.

In both of our cases, our honesty is a liability in the marketplace, because people are ignorant of such laws (or simply don’t care). Really, they simply want the product that they want, as conveniently as possible. We are then forced to compete in the marketplace with liars and cheats.

I am sure our peers here can find countless examples in other areas where this flavor of dishonesty prevails. Hell, I would love to hear some counter examples, because I cannot help but view this state of affairs as intentional at this point.

The purpose of system is what it does (or, in this case, does not do).

otherjason 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The cynical way to look at this is that the purpose of the system (the privacy nutrition label) is to support Apple's carefully-crafted and -marketed image as the most privacy-focused of the tech giants. Actually having enforcement of the contents of said labels would be a nice potential byproduct of that, but that's not strictly required to accomplish the system's purpose.

manbash 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

With Firefox, yes. I wouldn't fully trust other browsers to care about my privacy.

AstralSerenity 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Using web apps on Firefox really is the way given its support for uBlock Origin.

Screen real estate is precious on phones, so being able to permanently block "Install our app!" and even entire navigation categories (shorts on LinkedIn) is quite valuable.

Then you can "install" the site on your home screen or simply place it in collection folders so it's sitting ready on your "New Tab" page.

HPsquared 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think you need the app to use the delivery lockers (which I prefer over home delivery)

boobsbr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

AFAIK, the app is just the website in a webview.

embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't have Amazon Prime (nor am I in the US) yet use Aliexpress perfectly fine on my mobile phone without using an app. Frankly, I don't understand how the two is related at all?

doubled112 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

AliExpress won't allow me to open most pages in the account section on my iPhone. Instead I get a page telling me to install the app.

While browsing, there are also popups offering the app approximately every third link I click. Some of them are telling me to install the app.

Unless the situation has changed recently, it's not perfectly fine, it is unusable on purpose.

emctech 5 hours ago | parent [-]

AE website on mobile is terrible, they basically force you to use the app. I exclusively use the website on my PC

whstl 5 hours ago | parent [-]

So they're pulling a Reddit, basically.

"The app is great because the website is heavily degraded".

deepsun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Reddit is fine, just a small popup at the bottom. Facebook kn the other hand turned off most functions on mobile, e.g. chat. Good thing though if you don't use the chat long enough, friends start using other means of communication.

pudgywalsh 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Reddit is NOT FINE. They throw up full page modals now telling you to continue in the app.

Ntrails 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I just request the desktop site, it's fine

coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Both are web stores. Both have websites AND apps.

They are compared / contrasted. Nobody is saying one is concretely related to the other.

fragmede 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Where is "we"?

ngl999 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Likely the place where people are "willing to trade privacy for convenience", according to Baidu's CEO.

stinos 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I always wonder if it's worth it. Like: is it actually convenient, or is it 'solving' inconveniences which actually do not exist or didn't exist before using the service? I have never used Prime or AliExpress but also don't consider our typical shopping very inconvenient. And the most inconvenient parts are actually the ones which seem necessary to to get the proper goods (from past weeks: vegetables/fruits/shoes - it's not really possible to order that online and get exactly what we want). And everything else is available from other webshops.

rcruzeiro 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

According to their profile: Norway