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aa-jv a day ago

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Brian_K_White a day ago | parent [-]

I could say the same thing of you for this very comment. And you have just joined in the fighting and the othering in the finest and noblest tradition. Textbook.

MomsAVoxell a day ago | parent [-]

So you're in the camp that would rather murder than learn another language, then?

"Nice identity there. Be a pity if someone smashed it."

The only real enemy is the warrior narcissist, whose identity means more to them than another human life. Try not to look too hard into that mirror, it will consume you.

scarecrowbob a day ago | parent | next [-]

I love your line of thinking here.

Just pure, unadulterated bat-shit craziness.

There is no world where the globe-spanning, petroleum based colonialist empire that produces F35 is going to somehow, out of the goodness of it's oil-pumping heart go swords to plowshares.

I mean, of all the many folks displaying cluster-b disorders on this site, you're quite expressive of certain trends. You're unable to look past your own identity within the hegemonic order to understand how absolutely out of touch with the material world your positions are.

Congratulations or outdoing so many other folks here in expressing the most radically contradictory and simultaneously un-self-aware positions.

15155 a day ago | parent [-]

> many folks displaying cluster-b disorders on this site

I would argue this is more Cluster A (schizotypal) than B.

Cluster B disorders can at least be logically rationalized using some framework - this is something else entirely.

aa-jv 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Classic warrior narcissist response. Look it up, its just as real as your claim.

I'm with the OP. Its time to resist this heinously hate-filled culture that justifies the murder of innocents because they are inferior.

15155 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> So you're in the camp that would rather murder than learn another language, then?

What happens if I already know the language of the people I have conflict with? What's the next cheat code?

> "Be a pity if someone smashed it."

Can you see the irony in calling people "warrior narcissists," decrying violence, and then talking about "smashing" things?

What are you "smashing" them with? Feelings?

aa-jv 11 hours ago | parent [-]

>What happens if I already know the language of the people I have conflict with? What's the next cheat code?

Lived there for a while? Eaten their food? Done your best to improve conditions in their lives?

>What are you "smashing" them with? Feelings?

Its a metaphor, a kind of an advanced thought where you create an analog of something - an idea - and smash it. Exactly the opposite of smashing actual childrens' limbs, and always a better choice to make instead of you know, dropping bombs.

And after that, the cheat code is, you don't do any more physical harm, because .. you know .. you've expanded your mind well enough that you do actually respect the people you once thought you had to bomb, or else their Bad People would hurt you.

scarecrowbob 4 hours ago | parent [-]

One of the problems for me is that the people I disagree with are the white supremacists who operate the empire.

I know them pretty well. It actually has been quite difficult to extricate my thinking from that culture which raised me and I still struggle to do that work.

I know they are incredibly violent.

Hoping that you could take their firearms manufacturing and get them to shoot flowers isn't just dumb, it's a dangerous misreading of the structure.

F35s aren't going to start dropping aid packages. Thinking they might is dangerously naive because it misses the structural forces that create them in the first place. And further, that kind of "the miliitary could be used for good if we just use the power of our minds to levitate the pentagon" style thinking is what leads folks to develop vicious technology without worrying how it may be used.

The folks with the guns and the empire often hold a belief that the technology that they produce has not underlying system or ethical structure that produced it, so it could be use for "good" just as easily as the violence to which it will enviably be put.

The US liberals and conservatives who hold these views generally think that if we just have more [trans/well-trained] bomber pilots or [black/class-transitioning] billionaires, all the violence in the world could be put in the bottle and chucked into the sea.

When I write that the person who is creating all this text is a fucking nut, this is the kind of thing that I am talking about:

"de-weaponization means, disconnecting the user from using technology in destructive ways".

You can't.

Thinking that you can is dangerous and just hides the problems.

Thinking that somehow the teleology of the technology can be reduced to a single person's motivations for using it is the exact same structure that the folks who are using it for violence think.

It destroys any hope of understanding the social structures that lead to folks using technology for violence.

It's what has led to the IMF, World Bank, and WTO doing so many crimes. It's lynch pin that allows folks in the US to think somehow their thoughts and prayers for how all the tech they produce just needs to be tweaked a bit and somehow that will stop the ecocide of the planet. "Sorry we destroyed your economy and caused massive instability, but you were holding it wrong".

I mean, I have in the past "expanded my mind" to understand that none of the terrible violence inflicted by this empire is necessary- you're right that it is not, but the problem is that anything I do after that is "all in my head".

The material reality, though, is that either we're not doing anything material at that point (which is certainly a kind of narcissism in its own right) or more typically we don't fully understand the deep violence maintained by something such as the US capitalist world order, which is (as far as I can tell) even more narcissistic and violent.