How do you even win in this space? I feel like every day I see either a paid or fully OSS version of this product being posted here. As an end user I've become so overwhelmed that I've just started to mostly ignore them at this point. I can't be the only potential customer feeling this way?

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guyb3 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Honestly, we're not sure yet how we win this space. We both come from security backgrounds, and that's probably what led us to where we are today. basically we built the gateway first because we were afraid of using openclaw the way it came out of the box. we didn't even connect our gmail out of fear. then after a while working with agents behind the gateway, we just started building our own agent that integrates better with it, for me and my partner. So maybe it lands with the same kind of people as us, who worry about the security side and want that safe feeling. Still figuring out how many of us are out there.

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colesantiago 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're not alone, I don't get it either and this market is extremely crowded with many agent tools popping up everyday.

Some closed source, lots that are open source, hundreds of thousands and many which are completely vibecoded.

I feel that YC just invests in anything these days.

I mean, I don't see a moat here.

Like, why this over Grok Bot or anything that Anthropic or OpenAI would make for their 900M+ users?

Or is that the goal all along? Get acquired by a lab?

	▲	nrmitchi 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> I feel that YC just invests in anything these days. When there is a popular gold rush, YC invests in many companies that do the same thing with the expectation that 1) a rising tide lifts all ships, and 2) if there is a clear winner, they have eggs in every basket.
	▲	guyb3 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		It’s definitely a crowded space, totally agree about it. honestly for us we didn't want to commit to a specific provider, whether that's grok or openai. So we decided to go with a harness that lets us switch models easily when one is down, or when another provider comes out with a new improved model
	▲	robbomacrae 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Yep. OrcaBot has all these features. Free on desktop. It's been out for 6 months.