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bko a day ago

How do you make sure a police state doesn't happen? Block traffic? Tweet? Cut off ties with friends and family that don't share your political beliefs?

Of course you can avoid politics. Just be a good person. Vote for who you think is the best candidate at the time. And move on with your life.

Ironically the people most involved in politics don't have their own house in order. They're often mentally ill, over educated, underemployed and without meaningful ties in their life (e.g. family, real life community, etc).

__MatrixMan__ a day ago | parent | next [-]

There are a lot of answers to this, but since we're likely coders in here, there's a software design answer worth pointing out.

Watch how police states behave. What tools do they use? Typically, it's roots of trust. They take down sites by tampering with their domain name. They MITM web traffic by compelling certificate authorities to do unstrustworthy things. They spy on cell phones by mimicking external authorities that the phones are wired to trust explicitly and without input from the user. They insert devices into ISP infrastructure which users tend to assume is neutral.

So if we want to prevent this: Don't tolerate roots of trust that the user cannot configure. Use a threat model that includes nation states. Don't design with the assumption that trusted third parties will remain trustworthy. Think about how to protect your users privacy. Prefer peer-to-peer where possible, because your server may at one point become compromised and harm the users. Think about how they can protect themselves if that happens. Give them control over whether to install updates. Publish your API so users can make unauthorized clients if they don't trust yours. Prefer repeatable builds, and check hashes to spot malware. Review contributions and be wary of binary blobs that may have hidden use cases.

Mostly this is just sound engineering. It means doing your job well, which is not always the same as doing the job the shareholders asked for. They invested so they could have leverage, so ask yourself ahead of time if those are the same kinds of levers that police states want to pull. Shoot them down in the design phase if possible, sabotage them after the fact if necessary.

roughly a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

By being durably involved in your community and by being aware of and not ignoring the consequences of your actions, of the policies you advocate for, the actions of the politicians you endorse, etc. By not just voting once and moving on.

bko a day ago | parent [-]

What does this mean? This is all vague.

"Being aware"

"advocate for"

What are you talking about? Should you hound co-workers that don't work for you? Leave pamphlets on cars with bad bumper stickers? Subscribe to the New Yorker?

If you're interested in politics you should read it, but you should not let it affect your life in any meaningful way.

chaps a day ago | parent | next [-]

You're being needlessly antagonistic and it makes me think you haven't actually explored local options. Let's start elsewhere: what sort of civic engagement are you involved with? Have you ever submitted a FOIA request? Been to a community advocacy group?

bko a day ago | parent [-]

I have not. Are these things you advocate?

I have picked up garbage around my neighborhood. Kept my sidewalk clean and tidy. Helped neighbors w basic tasks.

Does this count?

chaps a day ago | parent | next [-]

Everybody should submit FOIAs. If that makes me an advocate for public records, then sure, I'm an advocate.

And of course those things count, but it's arguably only focused on your immediate surroundings. I've done some pretty significant cleanup of parks in my area. It's very rewarding.

Are you interested in being less antagonistic about basic civics?

marknutter a day ago | parent | prev [-]

You're not going to get far talking to political fanatics. And like you said, they very likely do not have their own houses in order.

roughly a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> you should not let it affect your life in any meaningful way.

Oh, I’ve got really bad news for you.

preg_match a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Politics affects your life in basically every way you could possibly think of, regardless of your apathy towards it.

When you’re apathetic, these decisions don’t just disappear. You implicitly delegate them to everyone else. Now, knowing what you know about most people, does that sound like a wise idea?

It’s sort of like saying “I don’t care where we eat” in your friend group, and then they choose sushi and you hate fish. Whoops.

solid_fuel 15 hours ago | parent [-]

> Politics affects your life in basically every way you could possibly think of, regardless of your apathy towards it.

Yep, 100%. It's unavoidable.

Being able to vote? You have that right because people engaged in politics.

Being educated for free as a child? Politics.

Clear air to breath? Politics.

5 day work week? Politics.

Not held in chattel slavery? Politics.

Allowed to worship at a church of your choosing - or not worship at all? Politics.

Our entire modern lives were built by people engaging in politics. Ignoring political issues is wreckless and shortsighted.

solid_fuel 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wow, this is pretty telling.

> Of course you can avoid politics. Just be a good person. Vote for who you think is the best candidate at the time. And move on with your life.

This has got to be one of the most naive takes I have ever seen on this subject.

Has it never occurred to you that often times being a good person means engaging in “politics”?

zero-sharp a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The people most involved in politics are mentally ill? Got it...

copper-float a day ago | parent [-]

This definitely feels true, yeah.

miyoji a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Vote for who you think is the best candidate at the time

That is definitionally not avoiding politics.

I think you misunderstand what politics is, at a fundamental level.

antii a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> Block traffic? Tweet? Cut off ties with friends and family that don't share your political beliefs?

All of the above. Get involved with political organisations, NGOs, volunteering groups, go to protests and network with people there. So that when the government starts doing something that approaches a police state, you, your group, and many other groups of people will be out there ready to make their will known. Block roads, burn tires, occupy squares, remove cameras, etc. Is is easy? Not at all. Can you do it alone? No. Is it worth doing to avoid living in a police state? Yes.

Take a look at Russia if you want an example of what widespread political apathy leads to.

bko a day ago | parent | next [-]

There's nothing that could convince me to do the opposite of what a proponent of a policy is advocating for than inconveniencing me to that extend.

If someone blocks traffic because of [topic], I don't think "gee maybe we are overly-dependent on oil", but the reverse. Most people are the same.

If I see someone defiling a public space, I am more accepting to more authoritative means to restore order.

If someone cuts ties with me because of their political beliefs, I am further convinced they are part of a cult. Because that's essentially what cults advocate for.

You can believe what you want, but you should not be deluded to think you're changing anyone's mind by behaving this way.

roughly a day ago | parent [-]

> There's nothing that could convince me to do the opposite of what a proponent of a policy is advocating for than inconveniencing me to that extend.

This is a toddler’s logic.

marknutter a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Zero proof that any of that works to prevent police states from forming.