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Petersipoi a day ago

Why do you want the people risking their lives to protect your freedom to have worse artillery? I don't understand this thinking at all. If my country is going to shoot something, I want them to be able to control what actually gets hit. I swear, people take borderline religious stances on things to the point that they no longer make sense.

V__ a day ago | parent | next [-]

"protect your freedom" does a lot of work here..

islandfox100 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

because my country isn't protecting my freedom, it's killing schoolgirls in a country we had a perfectly fine agreement with four years ago

Petersipoi a day ago | parent [-]

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pksebben a day ago | parent | next [-]

Have you served? Because I have. Still have friends in the service and they are pretty cheesed that they've been roped into this mess. Go ask a lifer what they really think about Smegsbreath some time - I think it will be enlightening.

none2585 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I come from a military family - supporting soldiers and the policies of an administration are two different things. The commenter is correct in that our war in Iran has nothing to do with our freedom and everything about pushing the political agenda of a foreign country.

ramon156 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

is your surname Thiel?

nilamo a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you know for sure that only your team is using the code? Are you ok with "the enemy" using your code to kill your soldiers, or you?

maxlybbert a day ago | parent [-]

Many wars are simply what you’d expect from violent leaders who realize they can order other people into combat for them. But some wars really are for the greater good. There are definitely militaries that I want to see win, and militaries that I want to see lose.

I realize I don’t have any code that would be of any use to any military. If I did, I don’t see how I could write a license to allow the use of my code by only people I agree with.

freeone3000 a day ago | parent [-]

You can write whatever you want in a license, including something as vague as “you can only use this code if I agree with your moral stances”. (For expediency, it might be worth enumerating the cases.)

The OSI might disapprove, but you don’t have to listen to them.

650REDHAIR a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where has my “freedom” been protected in the last ~40 years?

MomsAVoxell a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>borderline religious stances on things

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>risking their lives to protect your freedom

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nonsense.

The only thing that protects my freedom is active peace-making at levels greater than active war-making.

We are all under a great deal of threat precisely because borderline religious warrior narcissism has taken precedence over emphatic, unstoppable peace-making.

The USA has been bombing people into oblivion "protecting peace", for decades now. Is the world safer now?

No, it very definitely is not.

>Why do you want the people risking their lives ..

I want people risking their lives to make great peace. That is not happening at the scale that it should be.

Instead, the lazy, less noble warrior narcissist, has the world by the nose. The only difference between an utter criminal and a war fighter is a very, very thin line of paper which makes murder in one case illegal and in another case, legal. This paper is tattered and torn and covered in the muck of the victims, held high by the victors to justify their crime.

However, we see today the fallacy of this condition.

If your country is going to shoot something, I want to be damn sure it has done everything ethically, technologically, and administratively possible to have first made peace, at all costs.

That is simply not evident in any of the current world conflicts.

Instead of engaging in foreign cultures, we in the West march in lock-step behind those who have deemed foreign cultures inferior and worthy of nothing but destruction and despair.

I want to see the warrior narcissist who profit from this condition, disarmed and made irrelevant. The only way that happens is if human life takes precedence over human identity.

No humans identity is worth more than another humans life.

Risk your life for true peace this way: Before you murder, abandon yourself!

jasonlotito a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why do you want the people risking their lives to protect your freedom to have worse artillery?

Hi. Veteran here. I protected his freedoms to do just that. You asking this question in that way insults veterans, whether you intended it or not. People using this line of thinking usually only care about veterans when it can win them arguments, and do not care any other time.

> I don't understand this thinking at all

Then, instead of asking questions with inflammatory language, you should humble yourself and ask respectfully so you can understand.

rpdillon a day ago | parent [-]

I would protect his freedom to do just that as well, but I don't agree with it.

hackable_sand a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If they can't do their job non-violently then I don't want them to do that job.

bluefirebrand a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why do you want the people risking their lives to protect your freedom to have worse artillery

If better artillery is being built on open source tech then everyone has better artillery. Not just the people "protecting you" but also the people trying to kill those people

esseph a day ago | parent [-]

> If better artillery is being built on open source tech then everyone has better artillery.

Only if the end product is released as open source or even source available, which in many cases (all?) it has not been.

(This has never been done with a Linux based artillery system to my knowledge, of which there are MANY)

Teever a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm going to assume that you're an American, speaking from an Americentric point of view and I'd like to take this as an opportunity to discuss the fact that Hacker News is a website that is available to people around the world. Many of those people are not American citizens and do not have the same relationship with the US military and government that you do.

mediascreen a day ago | parent | next [-]

Only Americans want to defend their country? I'm Swedish, did my military service, and generally agree that I would want our defence forces to have the best weapons available.

Petersipoi a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The link given was to a blog post from the US army. Good try though.

Teever a day ago | parent [-]

This isn't a gotcha or 'try' it's a critique about how US defaultism overwhelms conversations on this site and how it is detrimental to the conversation at hand.

I'm not disputing that one of the links from the comment that gmerc made came from a US military domain, but that's moot. A licence against military use covers every army, not the one you happen to identify with.

As an aside, I'm curious what nationality user gmerc is. If they're the person in the video that they linked to it sounds like they're German?

And this isn't being nitpicky -- it's really important in the context of this discussion. People from certain countries more than others seem to lack this concept of civic hygiene and clam up when the discussion comes up.

We should push past that awkwardness and keep having these discussions about concepts like civic hygiene. It's important.

Petersipoi 15 hours ago | parent [-]

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