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missedthecue an hour ago

So 63% didn't. I wonder what the average netted out to. Increase or decrease and how much?

hatthew 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This thought occurred to me too, but then I realized even 37% is very high. In a reasonable society, most individuals' earnings should go up all the time. The downward pressure that should exist is high earners retiring and low earners just starting their career. A mildly idealized society should probably have 3% go from unemployed to employed, 3% go from employed to (voluntarily) unemployed, and the remaining 94% increase their earnings.

tqi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its interesting, I thought it was pretty well established that COVID era stimulus helped lower earners make real gains, even adjusted for inflation, while higher earners who did not get stimulus checks lost ground?

From page 36 of the paper: All deciles during this earlier period experienced annual real wage growth, with the growth being the largest for the bottom two deciles of the wage distribution.

LPisGood an hour ago | parent [-]

I’m pretty confused where you’re coming from. Stimulus checks were a one or two time payment of a couple thousand dollars, but stocks and corporate profits went absolutely parabolic.

The share of wealth owned by the richest people went up far more than the bottom 90 (or even 99) percent. The data absolutely supports this perspective as well: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr...

dan-robertson 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

The stimulus was not just the checks, it was also pretty generous unemployment, and the discussion was about incomes of workers, not wealth.

LPisGood 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Unemployment almost by definition means they’re not getting as much money as they were before.

We can focus strictly on wages, but for higher earners, it doesn’t tell the entire story, especially if we’re focusing on my new detail details like a couple thousand dollars per person.

reilly3000 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Don’t forget about the PPP loans.

lr4444lr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think the "average" is a good metric for the social impact of this. Everyone (or almost everyone) being at a standstill would be the minimum that governments should worry about. When even a sizable minority loses ground, that could create unrest.

gchamonlive 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's indicative of a growing economic inequality though, which in any orthodox economic book is bad

cyansands 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What does that have to do with anything?

jplusequalt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The median worker saw a small wage growth, on the scale of ~.5% a year.

However, it does says that 58% of all workers failed to keep up with the real wage growth trend we saw in the years leading up to the pandemic.

>So 63% didn't.

But more than a third of Americans did. You can't "glass two-thirds full" tens of millions of people seeing their actual purchasing power decrease.

Dylan16807 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can't glass one third empty it either. It's complicated and needs more numbers.

jplusequalt 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

For that 1/3 of Americans, that's a very real statistic to be frowning over.

tokai 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anything below 100% seems like a potential warning sign in a growing economy.

Avicebron 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

Turns out rising tides don't lift all boats.

Flameancer an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Mine increased 2.75x. If you count bonuses and other benefits it definitely increased more than 3x.

yonaguska 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

good for you