Uhg the marketing argument - I mean you can’t see with your own eyes how capable these models are and do simple extrapolation?

The boy who cried wolf? The AI literally worked together hacked into another company and actively kept their actions hidden from humans for weeks.

Do people just not have foresight? They don’t. They say something is stupid, it happens, then they say it was obvious with their 20/20 hindsight, and move the goal posts to the next thing they say is stupid - because it hasn’t happened yet. 90% of the internet seems to think like this.

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red_green_yell 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What anyone paying attention can see is that scaling is obviously hitting diminishing returns.

> The AI literally worked together hacked into another company and actively kept their actions hidden from humans for weeks.

This sentence is entirely based on unverified accounts from OAI. They haven't released logs or let anyone outside the company (who doesn't have life changing options in OAI) verify anything. Huggingface can only verify that the hack happened and that it had the hallmarks of an AI agent. Was the agent assisted and directed by humans within OAI that really wanted to put the competition into stasis? Did the agent really escape or did someone at OAI leave the prison door open?

OAI has watched all the same movies you have an they are relying on those movies causing us to blindly regulate before actually asking basic facts about what actually happened.

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bottlepalm 19 hours ago | parent [-]

> This sentence is entirely based on unverified accounts from OAI

Are you seriously arguing 'they made it all up'?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and lets say they made it all up, now are you arguing that AI breaking out and breaking into another company is not possible?

I think you're smart enough to see we've reached the point where it is clearly possible, AI can find zero days and exploit them. If directed purposefully/maliciously it could be much much worse than the hugging face incident.

The incident is supposed to be the canary the coal mine and you're arguing the canary might of died of old age or some underlying canary condition. Open your eyes.

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toxic72 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Do you own shares of OAI or something

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bottlepalm 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Is my concern getting you excited? My marketing must be working.

	▲	toxic72 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I make it a habit to not get worked up over unsubstantiated stories
	▲	simianwords 13 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The discourse gets muddled because there’s a certain sect of loud people who still think all of this is hype and AI will just die down soon. There’s no arguing with them. In a few years they will move on to being skeptical about the next thing.

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joshstrange 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you know the story of the boy who cried wolf?

There may very well be a wolf lurking [0] but OpenAI/Anthropic have both cried wolf so many times, incorrectly, that it’s incredibly hard to believe “this time there IS a wolf!”. Remember “GPT-2 is too dangerous to release”?

I had a conversation at work just yesterday about how we need to start hardening things we’ve let languish because of the coming LLM-backed attacks we are sure to face, even if just from a script kiddy. I do think we are headed in that direction, however it’s Sam/Dario’s own fault that people aren’t going to take them seriously.

Lastly, as other have pointed out, this seems more financially motivated than our of any real desire for “safety”. We’ve all seen how both labs approach “safety” so it’s quite rich for them to now hide behind that after not giving a shit before.

[0] I don’t take anything Sam or Dario say at face value. The whole hacking thing could also be a case of them letting a model loose on purpose for the publicity, not an “escape” during a training run (or whatever they said). And when both, especially Sam, have lied so much and breathlessly warned about the dangers of AI (when it helped their bottom line and/or helped pull up the ladder behind them), it makes it hard to believe them.

	▲	bottlepalm 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Has the last 100 years of concern about AI and robots been crying wolf because it hasn’t happened yet? How does reallocating resources from training to chain of thought monitoring make ‘financial’ sense? You suggesting then model was let loose on purpose.. how am I the crazy one here while all of you are pushing this tin foil hat conspiracy angle?