| ▲ | stryan an hour ago |
| Some of it's a panic, but I'm leaning towards many of the concerns being true or at least partially true due to the sheer scale of the construction. The figures I've been seeing are something like half of all current private construction projects are data center related these days and it's the biggest single sector of construction in terms of money spent. It's also a lot easier to protest data centers then AI companies and they generally provide minimal benefits to the local communities (a brief job boom for construction but minimal reoccurring benefits afterwards) and quite a few negatives like power consumption and noise. People can't stop their jobs from replacing them with an LLM, but they can at least stop the local data center from being built and raising the electricity bill by $70 a month[0]. This batch of data center construction is essentially yet another physical representation of the (often negative) changes the general populace faces with AI. [0] $70/month is how much my old power company said they'd have to raise prices if several proposed data centers were built. I was already paying $150-200 a month to power a 1 bed apartment so you can bet your ass I filed a complaint with the county about it. |
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| ▲ | mediaman an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| What I don't understand is why communities want to block the data centers. Just make them pay! Your electricity price shouldn't go up because of them. So just make a rate card for data centers that ensures the burden doesn't fall on residents. That's what Oregon started doing, and residents' electricity prices actually started falling, because the fixed costs of energy production were being spread across more kilowatt-hours and the data centers weren't getting a special deal. I've also seen counties offer tax incentives. Why? Just have them pay property tax. Then you get nicer schools, more police, better roads. Instead we have these campaigns to stop them, instead of making them a local cash cow. Loudon County gets half of all its revenue from data center property tax. Its residents were already rich, and now their local taxes are artificially low. Who wouldn't want that? |
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| ▲ | stryan an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm also in favor of making them pay, and in the end I'm expecting/hoping that's what will happen. But either way, when negotiating it's better to start from a harder position (no building) and soften up (limited building, cover the cost of extra electricity) then vice versa. Plus I'm sure some DCs would just pick another spot if forced to compromise; there's always some red county out there willing to do whatever just for a company to build there, that's why a lot of the DCs are being build in LA/AL/MS etc. It might also be more complicated than you might think though due to the complexities of increasing power supply. Power companies also use prices raises to discourage residential use and conserve the existing supply for larger customers. They can't refuse to service residential but they also can't increase supply yet, so they just raise the prices until residential users "choose" to lower their power consumption. My old power company told me it would be a temporary increase until supply was increased, but they said that the last time and it never happened. which, speaking of NOVA, was caused by the Loundon County allowing more data centers to be built. They get the money but since the power grid is regional everyone gets the bill :) . | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > So just make a rate card for data centers that ensures the burden doesn't fall on residents. This is actually what happens in most places. It's even what happens in many cases when the data centers are given a discount, because the "amortize fixed costs over more units of generation" thing still happens. Higher rates are essentially a time lag. You want to add load to the grid today but it will take five years to add that much new generation and in the meantime the only way to make a higher demand curve match up with the existing supply curve is at a temporarily higher price. You could raise the price of electricity on only the data center by so much that it removes the increase in demand, but what that actually means is not building it there, and then it also isn't there after generation catches up and the local power company would have been able to spread their fixed costs over more units. > I've also seen counties offer tax incentives. Why? Just have them pay property tax. Data centers are asset dense. A large one would have a value of e.g. a billion dollars while the neighboring plot of land has an assessment value of a million dollars. That's why they offer tax incentives -- a tenth of the rate on 1000 times the assessment value is a huge revenue win over the 100% of nothing you get if they build it somewhere else. Or to put it another way, it allows the towns with a higher mill rate to keep themselves in the running instead of being excluded from the outset. | |
| ▲ | WarmWash an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They do pay, that's why these towns are doing all these shady things to minimize public input. The problem is that the towns generally want to spend the money on new stuff rather than give the money back in tax cuts. | |
| ▲ | nancyminusone an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My community tried that. They were coerced into a tax break instead. https://www.wemu.org/wemu-news/2026-07-18/saline-township-re... | |
| ▲ | everdrive 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >What I don't understand is why communities want to block the data centers. Noise, pollution, energy costs (which you cover in your comment!) and water usage / contamination. I don't want more of those things. I don't want a bunch of strip malls of golf courses in my community, either. | |
| ▲ | gosub100 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They don't pay as much. They get their electricity at industrial bulk rates while we pay the residential rate. Their demands require more power lines to be run, but those costs are spread out and blended with consumers. It's a legal form of stealing. | |
| ▲ | epolanski an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > What I don't understand is why communities want to block the data centers.
Just make them pay! What kind of question is that? Communities that don't want them? You think money can fix and buy everything? Besides, they pay already. | |
| ▲ | goatlover 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because people don't like living next to them. They're loud, they're large and monotonous, they don't provide many jobs after construction, they use a lot electricity and decent amount of water, and the ones that rely on fossil fuels pollute. That plus all the tech bros have gone out of their way to advertise loudly AI as a replacement for humans. So why would a community of humans want to support that? |
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| ▲ | qarl2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > they generally provide minimal benefits to the local communities Data centers pay Loudoun County, Virginia $26 in taxes for every $1 in services they consume - nearly $1.3 billion, 45% of the county's budget - which is why Loudoun homeowners pay the lowest property tax rate in Northern Virginia. https://www.loudoun.gov/faq.aspx?TID=241 |
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| ▲ | stryan 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Loudoun County is a very rich part of NOVA and was able to fight for those concessions, as well as being in a very desirable part of the country for those DC's to built in (close to major infrastructure but still undeveloped at the time) so they had a better position to argue from. Plus, as I mentioned in another comment, while Loundoun County gets the tax benefits the whole area is affected by the DC's power consumption due to the regional power grid and shared infrastructure (i.e. the Potomoc) so part of my already high power bills was due to the data centers there and I got minimal benefits. | | |
| ▲ | qarl2 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes. See my other comment about how Oregon was able to solve the power problem. The residents of Oregon will be paying LOWER prices than before the data centers. The data center problem seems to be merely a government corruption problem. Which is a problem, of course, but not limited to data centers. | | |
| ▲ | stryan 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Alas, something like that wouldn't have helped me either as I was on the other side of the river :) . But yeah some sort of regional coordination between local governments or something like that would fix or at least help the problem. Like I said in my original comment, I think really the problem is just the scale of the build out. Before the AI boom DCs were being built slowly enough that it wasn't a problem and/or costs could be amortized over time. But cost sharing agreements and subsidization needs to be done before the DCs are built the they're certainly not going to push for it, so the people need to. Lower state taxes in the future due to DCs subsidizing power is (sincerely) great and all, but it doesn't do shit for the families deciding between food and heating their house in the winter before those benefits kick in. |
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| ▲ | drfloyd51 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Wait… large customers move in and your rate goes up? Forget about it. These AI companies could really help themselves by subsidizing local rates. Imagine if a large AI datacenter moved in AND your rate dropped by $70! Everyone would be singing their praises. |
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| ▲ | qarl2 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Oregon just passed a law saying data centers will pay more for electricity than normal people, and the math says that everyone's rates will be going down. So, again, I think it depends on whether you live in a red or blue state. https://www.opb.org/article/2026/06/04/data-centers-utility-... | | |
| ▲ | jayGlow 43 minutes ago | parent [-] | | that seems odd, do other industries pay a higher rate for electricity or is this specifically targeting data centers? |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Wait… large customers move in and your rate goes up? demand goes up + supply remains steady = price goes up. | | |
| ▲ | robotresearcher 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Why should supply stay steady? You want to build an enormous energy sink, you should contribute to increasing the local supply! Putting up everyone’s prices is a hard impact on a community. | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | >Why should supply stay steady? i'm not saying it should. but it takes time to bring new power generation online. >You want to build an enormous energy sink, you should contribute to increasing the local supply! agreed | | |
| ▲ | robotresearcher 28 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It does take time to build capacity. But if I build a new office building I’m simply not allowed to open it up and park in the neighborhood driveways today because I have a plan to build a parking structure eventually. |
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| ▲ | tonfa an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also infrastructure costs might be billed differently between industrial vs retail. (And the marginal cost on infrastructure isn't necessarily paid be the people increasing the demand) | |
| ▲ | benji-york 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the short term (assuming no point fixes help soften the shock). |
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