Complete tangent, but my impression is that one glass of wine per day is "fine", but you're still statistically better off in a non-trivial way by going down to zero. Not counting the benefits of course.... :)

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mediaman an hour ago | parent [-]

To continue to take us off topic, there is actually pretty limited evidence that this is true.

It is true that wine doesn't do anyone any good (unless you count it making people more social or something). But the effects of one glass a night is indistinguishable from zero. There are definitely statistically significant morbidity effects at 3.

I've been shocked reading public health proclamations that "anything above zero" is bad, and then reading the actual underlying paper they refer to, which clearly states exactly the opposite finding. I think it is an extension of the public policy belief that the public cannot be trusted with moderation, and so therefore must be communicated to in absolutes, and nobody will read the underlying paper anyway.

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victorbjorklund 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Most modern research I have seen says there is no safe levels of alcohol where you will get no negative effects on your body. 7 glasses of wine per week isn’t that low. Is it worse than sometimes eating crap food? Maybe not. But it isn’t without risks.

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AndrewKemendo 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

According to the best longitudinal study from the WHO There is no safe level of alcohol consumption (1). Every molecule of alcohol is measurably bad for you physically

People want to conflate their personal desires and perceived social benefits with health benefits because mental health and physical health have overlaps

However they need to be separate to actually make a claim about alcohol as there are millions of people in functional communities that reject alcohol and have non of the negative effects

(1) https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-...

	▲	pessimizer 7 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> According to the best longitudinal study from the WHO There is no safe level of alcohol consumption This would be a misquote, but you didn't use quotes. The WHO said that they "can't identify" a safe level of alcohol consumption and that there are no studies that would indicate a safe level of alcohol consumption. > The new WHO statement clarifies: currently available evidence cannot indicate the existence of a threshold at which the carcinogenic effects of alcohol “switch on” and start to manifest in the human body. I could see why you would say that from this: > “We cannot talk about a so-called safe level of alcohol use. It doesn’t matter how much you drink – the risk to the drinker’s health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing that we can say for sure is that the more you drink, the more harmful it is – or, in other words, the less you drink, the safer it is,” explains Dr Carina Ferreira-Borges, But that seems to be a mixture of some language difficulty and some intentional hyperbole.

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joaovnunes 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

isn't one glass a night already lack of moderation? by drinking a glass a night, or even weekly such as every friday night you're creating habit and dependency.

	▲	Carrok 12 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Everything in moderation, especially moderation.