having 2 fw 13s this is my experience as well (and also friends who bought into FW); i was willing to give the 13 pro a try until they downgraded my order. I inevitably cancelled and went with a dell xps14 and its a fantastic laptop. I am unsure bout any future fw purchases. also my m1 macbook pro is made so well I've abused this to the cows come home and i feel like it still has another 3+ years to it..

everytime someone brings up the e-waste aspects of fw, i don't know if its that simple...because i've definitely already generated much more e-waste with my frameworks than any other laptop i've bought in the last decade

that being said, i do like the fw vision, but they might be trying to do TOO much that their quality is suffering for it

> because i've definitely already generated much more e-waste with my frameworks than any other laptop i've bought in the last decade

How so? Most FW parts seem quite resellable, did you just throw them away after upgrading or something?