| ▲ | abixb 5 hours ago |
| I've slowly shifted all my consumer purchases from Amazon to local shops and other online platforms, including Etsy. I'm now seriously contemplating deleting my Amazon account of 15 years in one whole swoop. The quality degradation is painfully apparent, and the value add of Amazon in my life has been steadily declining for a while. I've also had terrible experiences with AWS, but that's a different story. Amazon's only core product that they care about now is their stock price. |
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| ▲ | snarf21 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Generally curious but a lot of the stuff I find on Etsy is the same crap from Alibaba/Amazon .. What are you buying from Etsy that isn't this? |
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| ▲ | abixb 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I look for independent artists and craftspeople. I recent bought a pack of sci-fi posters for my apartment from an artists who designs it herself and who has an independent reputation. My goal has now shifted to identify the thinnest intermediary between my dollars and the person doing the labor for the product/service I'm paying for. | | |
| ▲ | apparent an hour ago | parent [-] | | This is an interesting goal. I would agree in general, but in the age of AI I'm feeling like much of the 'labor' being done is done by AI. |
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| ▲ | devin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Etsy suffers from the same review astroturfing and product category crowding that Amazon does, but the product categories tend to be narrower so it's never quite as bad. Etsy is certainly _bad_, but getting to Amazon levels is a whole other animal. | | |
| ▲ | loeg 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's Amazon bad, but with much worse customer service when anything goes wrong. |
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| ▲ | lokar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It depends what you are looking for. I find small batch or custom made items from small businesses. Recently a nice wooden piece from a shop in Germany and an address sign for my yard from some place in the Midwest. For some things you do see endless shops selling cheap Chinese imports. | |
| ▲ | zf00002 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Etsy is even worse for sponsored ads, way worse. | |
| ▲ | bariumbitmap 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not the GP but I bought a wooden lapdesk on Etsy that I use every day. | | |
| ▲ | criddell 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The person you responded to has a good point though. It does take some diligence on Etsy to avoid people reselling or drop shipping mass produced items. | | |
| ▲ | glitchcrab an hour ago | parent [-] | | Some of the prices are crazy too. I wanted 4 tenting legs for my keyboard, found some on Etsy for £100 total (no joke). 4 of the exact same item from AliExpress cost me about £4 including shipping. |
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| ▲ | libria 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Amazon's only core product that they care about now is their stock price. "Only" here is incorrect. I posit every public company's primary concern is stock price. But certain behaviors and values align with driving that stock price up and for Amazon it's Customer Obsession. And they are not obsessed with it because they love you, it's because they love your repeat business. But that obsession means your happiness and their stock price are aligned, for now. I pushed Purchase on Amazon one day and was opening the package 36 minutes later. I can barely drive down to a gas station, get a coke and come back in that time. But I wanted a particular, random item one morning and was setting it up within the hour without leaving my seat. Ebay and Walmart and Local shop can't do that. I support leaving out of principle, that's laudable. But it won't be because they aren't good at delivering CX. |
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| ▲ | dpkirchner an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | The fact is that Amazon has at least two customers here: you, the user trying to find an item to buy, and advertisers, likely trying to convince you to buy a lower quality product. Who wins? I'm guessing the advertiser. They are far more likely to have a sales contact, anyway. | |
| ▲ | Freedom2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not very customer obsessed when their email that they send me doesn't even have which items I've ordered. | | |
| ▲ | alejohausner an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's because you probably are using gmail, and Google is reading your emails and harvesting your shopping history. That's why Amazon is being secretive: to deny Google that information. | | |
| ▲ | dpkirchner an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm ok with Google having that information. Where is the checkbox to enable including useful details in emails? |
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| ▲ | BloondAndDoom 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m trying to get rid of Amazon but honestly it’s very hard. All vendor websites are shit, high friction, high bugs. Vendors consistently delivers significantly slower (like 2-3 weeks sometimes) There is no single website that offers similar solution where my payment is saved and I can just buy and forget. Only thing I’ve successfully replaced is grocery shopping. |
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| ▲ | SomeHacker44 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have a place in upstate NY, near the vermont/canada border. I have prime. The best shipping they usually do is a week. Nigh useless. Best Buy, Microcenter, B&H, Walmart all do better. They just don't have the range or sometimes do not respect my tax forms. I am an hour drive from a larger town with a big box store like Walmart. The Best Buy closed. The closest thing nearby is something called Tractor Supply. They put out a big sign each year saying "We Have Chicks!!!" which means they have baby chickens, ducks and turkeys. They are super cute. |
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| ▲ | nkurz an hour ago | parent [-] | | > I have a place in upstate NY, near the vermont/canada border. I have prime. The best shipping they usually do is a week. Nigh useless. We're in rural Vermont, but not particularly remote. Amazon is the same for us, with a minimum 1 week quoted delivery time. And it's not because it actually takes that long to get to us, since Walmart is reliably 2 day. Prime used to be 2 day delivery, like Walmart still is. Amazon has just decided to deprioritize rural northeastern delivery, and just don't ship it out for several days. Even random Ebay sellers using USPS are typically faster. This doesn't make Amazon useless, but it's definitely not my preferred place to buy from anymore. > They put out a big sign each year saying "We Have Chicks!!!" which means they have baby chickens, ducks and turkeys. They also sell bees in season, although I think you might have to preorder. |
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| ▲ | mbesto 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >I've slowly shifted all my consumer purchases from Amazon to local shops and other online platforms, including Etsy. This is why I'm so bullish on Shopify. It increasingly is getting network effects (Shop.app) and people are starting to become even more brand loyal than before. Even Chinese companies are creating strong brand categories at a fraction of US counterparts and selling direct on Shopify to (e.g. Anker, Fnirsi, Fanttik, etc.) |
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| ▲ | jambalaya8 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Alot of things are just fine, or more than fine, on Amazon (behemoth or not). If I know what brand I want, or I want a cheap version of something and the more or less guarantee if they screw up, it will be replaced or refunded, I absolutely would use Amazon. Some of the Amazon Essentials are a godsend if you cannot stand shopping. It is looking for new things, being unable to find exactly what I need without being overwhelmed, or not being sure of what of something to get, that gets me anxious. Amused so many people here seem to be pushing etsy. I saw the same supposedly hand-made mugs on sale by hundreds of people on etsy a few years ago. |
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| ▲ | doctoboggan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| As someone who sells actually custom created stuff on Etsy, it’s still definitely the best place for that but the alibaba and temu junk is growing on the platform. |
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| ▲ | foodandart 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This. I only have an Amazon account for a specific item - a dried soup mix that my mom who is off the grid, lives for. No PRime, no other purchases and if I could find the product elsewhere, I'd leave Amazon in a heartbeat. For the rest of it, my online shopping is mostly ebay. Been on it since the start and have had zero issues with any merchant or product (mostly used computer kit or repair items) that I've purchased. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, same here. Shopping on Amazon is awful. Logistics and delivery, A-OK, but I don't want what they are selling. I'm happy to wait 3 more days, and have inaccurate delivery estimates, in order to get what I actually want. It also spurred me to move most of stuff off of AWS, which is saving me money now too! The cloud ecosystem has grown in the past 10 years, and I hadn't shopped around, and was missing out on better experience that cost far less. |
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| ▲ | jondea 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| But Etsy also has these ads, and I find them even harder to identify than on Amazon |
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| ▲ | ramijames 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Mostly I'm buying Amazon groceries because here in Boston if you don't have a car and access to Costco, wow are your local shops over-priced. Wholefoods, Star Market, and Trader Joes are all at least 25% more expensive. |
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| ▲ | ulfw 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Who do you think Wholefoods belongs to? | | |
| ▲ | ramijames 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Oh, I know, but the prices that I get on Amazon are definitely cheaper than what I can get from the real Wholefoods 500 meters away. It's absurdist. | |
| ▲ | mynameisash 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Oh yea. Getting downvoted for saying the truth. So modern Hackernews I didn't downvote you - and I agree with the sentiment that Whole Foods is also Amazon - but the meta complaining isn't beneficial to the conversation. |
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| ▲ | sholladay 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In my experience, Etsy and Amazon are both following the same trajectory. Lower quality, lower value, fake and imitation products becoming more common, etc. On Etsy, it used to be the norm that a product would be unique, interesting, and probably handmade. Now, there’s a decent amount of 3D/screen printed junk that might also have some AI slop thrown in for good measure. The corporations have also moved in, just like they did with Airbnb. The most common issue for me is what happened when I bought a custom dog bowl, thinking the ceramic was made by the seller. Later stumbled upon something similar and realized it was just an off the shelf bowl and the dog’s name had been painted on. That not worth nothing, and it was still probably nicer than what I could’ve gotten on Amazon, and maybe I should’ve asked before buying. But there’s just a lot of that, “make a quick buck” type of stuff and it’s not always obvious. |
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| ▲ | Jach 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I live in Bellevue so by supporting Amazon I'm supporting a local business. It's hard to imagine replacing most of the things I get from the site with someplace else. (Though it'd be nice to have a Micro Center.) I've even started getting more grocery products as Safeway/QFC/Fred Meyer up their prices, and the Redmond Fred Meyer closed which had the best produce. Etsy is mainly useful to me for the occasional copyright-infringing merch. |
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| ▲ | cobbzilla 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wonder if people who live in DC think the same about their federal tax dollars, it’s roughly the same flavor of “local” | | |
| ▲ | wlesieutre 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just going off the "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION" license plates, I'd guess not. Federal tax dollars are spent according to the whims of literally everyone else in the country except them. |
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| ▲ | webdood90 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a local business to nearly everyone in the US. Anyways, it's not a local shop as the person you replied to called out. Shopping at Amazon perpetuates the monopolization and consolidation of players in the economy. That means less competition. That means less incentive to improve the value they provide. Seems pretty clear to me that shopping with Amazon makes things worse for everyone in the long run. |
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| ▲ | troupo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > other online platforms, including Etsy. For the past decade Etsy has been a rebranded Temu/Ali Express. There's almost nothing local, or original, or worth anything on it. All large online shopping services converge onto the same Amazon model. |
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| ▲ | mohamedkoubaa 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are people who rent time at my local makerspace who sell on Etsy. Maybe the issue is that Etsy doesn't make it easy to find them? | | |
| ▲ | swatcoder 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Etsy still welcomes small craft artists and makers and provides a convenient e-commerce portal for them, but yes, it's the discovery that's been ruined. They originally broke through and defined themselves by insisting that vendors only sell original cottage-crafted work, but gave up on that requirement years ago and the sincere low-volume, low-margin crafters can't compete with high-volume, high-margin importers in either advertising spend or in the etsy-profiting metrics that drive algorithmic discovery. | | |
| ▲ | senderista 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a lot like Google search: the good websites are still there but now it's impossible to find them. | | |
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| ▲ | pixl97 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Another thing that happens is your local shop will set up one Etsy store, the el cheapo junk stores may set up a huge number of different shops selling the same set of products. | |
| ▲ | troupo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This, too. Amazonification/Enshittification |
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| ▲ | rocketpastsix 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I deleted my Amazon account earlier this year. I have yet to feel like I am stuck and unable to get something. It has made me turn directly to the seller, so it then I know every single dollar is going to them, versus most of it going to the seller and Amazon getting a cut. It has also made me look closely at places in my city where I can pick things up. I've found a few new shops I didnt know existed because the default was Amazon. The only bummer was I lost about 5 years of Audible books, most I listened to once but a few were repeat listens. I will just pick them up on Libro when I get the desire to listen to it again. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you have a Costco nearby, highly recommend for the products they carry. I pay for the executive membership, and also ship products to where ever I need using their online shopping. (no affiliation, I just love the company and how they treat their employees and customers, strong value for price paid imho) |
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| ▲ | radicality 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is the Costco shipping good / good inventory / similar or same as in store prices? Should I consider it if living in a city like ny? I live in central nyc, been only a few times to a Costco, and had no idea they even do any shipping! I assumed that part of all those good prices is the smaller selection, large minimum quantities, and that you have to get yourself there with a car to get it in person. | | |
| ▲ | ptmkenny 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Costco shipping is "free," but the prices on the website are more than in the store. I'm pretty sure it's based on weight; heavy stuff has a more pronounced markup. But, it saves you a trip, and the prices are low to start so it still may be significant savings. There's also a web-only deals section for clearing out inventory (I picked up some Philips Hue lights for half off). | |
| ▲ | MattSayar 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't purchase from costco.com regularly, but the selection is generally the same as in-store and a bit more. The shipping is free, but slower than Amazon and faster than a couple weeks. | | |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| eBay is my first go-to. |
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| ▲ | adolph 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | publicsurplus.com has everything a person might need and you are supporting local government. You can find yourself a nice laptop for cheap. "It's got a cop CPU, an i5 10th gen. It's got cop RAM, cop SSD, cop 12v power input." | | |
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| ▲ | qmr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Etsy is full of AI and temu aliexpress slop; how do you avoid it? |
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| ▲ | cute_boi 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I would love to support mom and pop stores if they don't charge 25% more than amazon. Here, in NY buying from small store means getting ripped off. |
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| ▲ | toss1 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If it is only 25% more, you are NOT getting ripped off. Mere economies of scale and purchasing power yield Amazon more than 25% lower costs. the mom & pop stores you accuse of ripping you off likely have even slimmer margins than Amazon, even at their prices. Yes, all of us who are not wealthy must have an upper limit to what we can support, and maybe 25% is over your limit, but please don't ignorantly accuse them of ripping you off when you clearly know nothing of the costs of vastly different scales of business. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like the economy of scale option produced better results for consumers :) |
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| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, those moms and pops are ripping us off, living like… well, not like Bezos. | | |
| ▲ | tt24 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So Bezos has produced a more efficient option and was rewarded for it? I already said I like Amazon, you don’t have to convince me | |
| ▲ | cute_boi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are assuming all moms and pops are poor and barely thriving. This isn't case with many stores. I have worked as clerk and I know the margin. I am sorry, but I will not buy 20 cents water at $2. |
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| ▲ | retired 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amazon is just so convenient for me. They deliver within a day in a package locker next to home. Meanwhile with other platforms it takes up to a week, the delivery timeframe is 08:00 to 21:00, I then have to wait for the delivery person to call me because they can never find my front door. And if I happen to be on the toilet when they ring the package is delivered to a parcel point ten kilometers away. So I have to rent a car to go pickup my package. Amazon has absolutely nailed the delivery here. They looked at how people struggle with online orders and streamlined it completely. It’s such a blessing not to have to deal with delivery drivers anymore. If Amazon charged €10 extra per package I would still order with them. |
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| ▲ | scrollop 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | For your next 10 purchases that you don't need within 3 days, use an llm to find the best choice for your needs (have been doing this and learning a lot on how the ideas I had about a product prior to purchasing missed many things I didn't knew I dind't know, and the llm helped to find better products) and ask the LLM to find alternative shops - you may be surprised and have the nice feeling of increasing choice in the world by allowing alternate stores to keep going. eg. wanted to purchase a FIio KA17 DAC - amazon price £150, asked an llm for an alternative, found for £120 from a decent small audiovisual real store, ordered, delivered within 3 days. Have found you can save money for purchases from cosmetics to garden fertilizer and grass seed to audiovisual and IT equipment. | | |
| ▲ | retired 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why use an LLM for something that is a 5 second Google? Google Products is right there in the top. Forums will advice you on alternative products. Am I getting old? I feel like a dinosaur still Googling things. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Google's search results defaulting to starting with an LLM; and by the power of SEO, so are many of the search results themselves. Having to add "reddit" to get genuine results was already a meme 3 years back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFv1O4dbqY&pp=ygUXZ29vZ2xlI... | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At this point in time… …you've got to figure that Google is just as disgusting as Amazon in the ads/search dept. LLMs seem positively naive in that regard. Just, you know, simply suggesting what their subsumption of the internet suggests. (For now anyway.) | | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Doesn’t ChatGPT also recommend products from their advertisers first? |
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| ▲ | criddell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In my house we have something from Amazon show up several times per week. They usually deliver when they say they will (often the same day), returns are a breeze (occasionally they refund us and don't want the item back), and I don't think I've ever had an issue with counterfeit items. I know Amazon often isn't the lowest price anymore, but that's okay with me as long as their customer service is great. | |
| ▲ | sleepyguy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You live in Europe, where everything is harder, and when it comes to shopping, you have maybe one-fifth of the choices Americans have. I spend a good four months every year in Poland and Austria, and there’s really nowhere in the world except China that offers consumers as much choice and availability as the U.S. does. | | |
| ▲ | retired 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It really baffles me when an American can just walk into a store and buy car parts for their fairly niche model from the 1990s. Meanwhile in Europe I spend many evening on internet forums and Facebook groups doing research trying to find a part that will work with my car, then finding someone willing to sell it and finally using Google Translate getting someone to ship it to my foreign (to them) country. I even had to resort to proxies just to get car parts from Eastern to Western Europe. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Weird, I rather have more government mandated vacation, public healthcare, and a pension system that doesn't mean I have to work in my 60s but I understand people have different priorities in life. Hopefully you move beyond the consumerist phase as it's probably the lowest rung of the human experience. | | |
| ▲ | TaLiTr 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What a strange and pretentious comment. They're not mutually exclusive, two things can be had at the same time. | |
| ▲ | retired 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Jokes on you, in my part of Europe I don’t have access to public healthcare, I don’t have mandated vacation, I don’t have a pension system. And I can’t even have a consumerist phase apparently since car parts are so hard to acquire. |
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| ▲ | AlanYx 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >there’s really nowhere in the world except China that offers consumers as much choice and availability as the U.S. does. This is true, although I find it interesting that so many people then gravitate to Costco, where consumer choice in a given category is deliberately restricted to one or two product variations selected by the head office. | | |
| ▲ | pirates 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Over time I have come to trust Costco’s curation. Their standards seem high, and there are definitely products and brands that they sell that I don’t like, but those are subjective tastes vs objective low quality in my experience. I don’t buy everything there, but I take note of the brands and products that they either keep for a long time or dump quickly. |
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| ▲ | audidude 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This was something I would have never understood living in the US until I moved to France 4 months ago. And yeah, as much as I dislike the company, those lockers are clutch. | | |
| ▲ | retired 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Package delivery is pretty good when you live in a country with a standardized address system, large homes and where the delivery driver can park in front of your home. However if you live in a historical city center where your address is the equivalent of “That small door if you go up two stairs behind the old tavern” then package deliveries plain suck. Especially since you don’t have the “village postmen” anymore. You have ten delivery companies and none of them have fixed routes. | | |
| ▲ | Symbiote 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I live in one of those places (Copenhagen) and I prefer the local online shops, since they offer all the delivery choices. I always choose delivery to the convenience shop on the opposite corner. It's open late, and picking up a parcel takes about a minute. |
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| ▲ | apercu 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I cancelled prime this year. It no longer had any value. It's more expensive but shittier in every way. |
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| ▲ | arcticfox 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I love that Perplexity just beat them in court because AIs are at least one hammer that might smash this bullshit. It's so sad, Amazon is chasing every short-term dollar at the expense of long-term success. I have also been moving my purchases away from them - might as well buy direct from the Chinese sellers rather than use Amazon as a middleman. |
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| ▲ | tcfhgj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| did that already years ago :) |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are a lot of cases where I go direct-to-vendor. Particularly for niche products such as supplements and men's cosmetics, it is easier to find one or two trustworthy distributors or manufacturers who have most of what I want. There has been a lot of consolidation in this space. Part of that means that independent webstores closed up and moved exclusively to Amazon. If they did not close up shop, they now use Shop/Shopify or a similar SaaS, which streamlines sign-ups, sign-ins, and checkouts, for better or worse. All the better if you've got PayPal or Apple/Google Pay. I've noticed that a lot of "click and mortar" stores have really abysmal product on their physical shelves. Like, it's discontinued, or all the wrong sizes, subtly defective, or just undesirable. It's like their stores are kind of dumping grounds, and it makes sense, because the sort of person in 2026 who gets in a car, and shops in a store, and grabs stuff uncritically off the shelf is not your most discerning or astute shopper. Target's shopping experience remains better than most. Their stores include everyday needs like groceries and medicine, so I can meet a lot of my needs by dropping in. Furthermore, their app-based shopping (marketplace) is pretty good too, so if I need housewares delivered or something, or I need to look up something and find it right now, in-store, their app is right there. And their shopping carts now have little dedicated slots to drop in your smartphone next to the cupholders. The best online shopping is Office Depot/OfficeMAX. They've shrunk their retail footprint, but their online store is still a non-marketplace, and really good for buying the kinds of things they sell. That includes some non-intuitive buys, like you can find kitchen supplies, because they stock many breakrooms for small/medium businesses. Good place for electronics and accessories and art supplies, even if you are just comparison-shopping. Their delivery is rapid and often just comes from the nearest store! |
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| ▲ | preg_match 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The best part about not using Amazon is I get to get my stuff quicker, and I can see/feel it. Buying clothes off Amazon is basically the worst thing ever, for instance. One day shipping is fast, but I can run to the store in 15 minutes. Can't beat that. |
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| ▲ | sholladay 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Amazon built their own in-house logistics network because UPS et al. weren’t cutting it. They offer one-hour delivery for a lot of basic items where I am and it’s not even a particularly urban area. I think in urban centers those same items have 15 minute delivery. They are also the only ones who will consistently deliver on Sunday, when your local store might not even be open. There are still lots of good reasons to shop local, but I’m not sure speed is the best reason. |
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