Edit: too many comments to address, so I'll just say this:

The nuance is in targeted assassinations, which is what has been said. This is only carried out against Hamas, Palestinian Jihad and other terrorist groups. Sadly, there are multiple such organizations so even saying Israel should eliminate 30-40 Hamas members every day isn't going to cover the full roster of terrorist militants in Gaza.

Still not defending Ben Gvir, but taking the time to understand these things is the difference between trying to understand the reality vs. piling on the "Israel bad" wagon, especially if you are parroting the same narrative over and over.

Also, this is exactly why I don't support political posts on HN.

Original comment was:

The fact you're posting this exact same comment multiple times, while ignoring that Ben Gvir was talking about Hamas, is telling.

I don't support Ben Gvir in the slightest but you're using something he said to twist the narrative, which ironically is exactly what the Hanover think-tank was supposedly meant to remedy.

Hamas is the worst of the worst in humanity.

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j_maffe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister," he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night,” said the far-right Israeli lawmaker.

> “Not just those who pose an immediate threat, there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people,” added Ben-Gvir.

Not sure how the full quote is supposed to help.

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karim79 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The hilarity of the fact that you're on my case indicates that you're most probably being paid for this. You are paid. I do this for free.

Let's start educating the public about the Dahiya Doctrine now to change the subject (slightly).

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tancop an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This would still be bad even if they had perfect information and only killed confirmed terrorists. Setting a target for number of people killed is an extermination campaign not a war. All it does is turn the locals even more against you like in Vietnam.

If it was "secure X amount of land from Hamas" it would be way better because that would give them the option to surrender or run away, and give IDF an incentive to avoid violence. What Israel is doing means soldiers feel pressure to kill on sight even if the enemy is unarmed and ready to give up so they can meet their quota for the night. That is a war crime.

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luckjack47 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real quote seems to be not about Hamas, the comment you are replying to seems correct

https://www.ft.com/content/f6b953fc-a6ad-48cd-bed1-d42619b57...

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karim79 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's not talking about Hamas. Nice try.

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magic_hamster 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Let's not pretend you're not part of the problem. You're parroting things with twisted narrative. Back your claims with facts.

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karim79 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"The Problem". Interesting. What is "The Problem"?

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magic_hamster 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The problem is paid people (or bots?) pushing fake propaganda on HN.

The problem is you not including the full quote on targeted assassinations, implying it's about carpet bombing people and not about militants.

The problems is political discussions on a tech forum.

The problem is many people hate Jews no matter what, and mask their hatred with all sorts of BS misinformation on Israel.

	▲	GordonS 2 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Eh... The full quote is even worse, making it plain he's talking about everyone in Gaza: “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat – there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.” It's absolutely plain as day that Ben Gvir is genocidal. Bots pushing fake propaganda indeed!
	▲	virgildotcodes an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Why are we even playing games about implications when we can see the empirical fact that the admin’s policies on Palestine over the last years have been to carpet bomb people?
	▲	aa-jv an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		People hate children being murdered more than anything else. The fact you can't see that is because, you yourself, have a hatred mask on.

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aa-jv an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Fact - he said exactly this:

“It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister," he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night,” said the far-right Israeli lawmaker.

“Not just those who pose an immediate threat, there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people,” added Ben-Gvir.

...

"Terrorist" is just the 21st century replacement for the n-word, which racists can't use openly any more, so they invented a new word.

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2Gkashmiri 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Replace "Hamas" with IDF and it would make sense.

>Hamas is the worst of the worst in humanity.

IDF documenting war crimes against civilians, targetting children by snipers is fine because "protecting country" but Hamas is the bad guy?

What metric outside of Israeli propaganda are you using? Because those same metrics call IDF worse than anyone

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bjourne 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why defend a Nazi?

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yoavm an hour ago | parent [-]

The OP literally wrote "not defending Ben Gvir" and "I don't support Ben Gvir in the slightest", yet this is the best thing you could come up with for a comment?

	▲	bjourne an hour ago \| parent [-]
		File it under the "not to be rude, but you're a fucking idiot"-folder.