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llm_nerd 10 hours ago

2019 had 99 murders. This has absolutely nothing to do with Flock, and the notion is perverse nonsense.

Cameras do not prevent crime. This has been eminently shown endlessly. Now ideally they help then find the culprits, but in practice this just isn't happening.

nomel 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Cameras do not prevent crime.

What is this based on? They do seem to prevent crime [1][2][3]. To my naive perspective, this seems ludicrously obvious, since there are just countless examples of thieves looking around for cameras, and then noping out once one is seen, that can be found on YouTube. As a youth, who enjoyed urban exploration with my friends (aka trespassing) it definitely deterred our group from entering a properties. It doesn't prevent certain crimes, but to say it doesn't prevent any is a perspective that I, and the insurance agencies that give discounts, just can't comprehend.

[1] https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/cctv-surveillance-c...

[2] 13% drop https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/technology/personaltech/s...

[3] 25% drop https://popcenter.asu.edu/sites/g/files/litvpz3631/files/230...

llm_nerd 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

A camera does not prevent crime. It never has, anywhere on the planet. Monitoring does prevent crime, and people who look out for cameras aren't worried about the camera, they're worried about active monitoring. They're worried that the police will be there moments later. When you planned on breaking into a dozen cars to rummage through them in some vacant lot, the calculus is a lot different when there is a guy watching you.

Only everyone knows most of these cameras aren't monitored. The effect of the monitoring concern has dissolved.

And it's especially ridiculous to claim that cameras stop gang violence, which comes in ebbs and flows. Which was the "look it stopped all the murders!" There are various other absurd takes throughout this discussion, and HNers should realize that Flock has a massive PR campaign underway, and an enormous number of astroturfers spreading hilariously stupid stories about the gang members intimidated by...a camera.

cindyllm 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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