Qwen doom loops were amusing to watch the first time or two, but it's incredibly vexing to have it waffle over the same decision over and over and over and over again. I can get more done with a faster model by correcting it, and it feels better to babysit them than it does to babysit qwen to see if I need to intervene or if it will actually finish.

I do like the output from qwen when I get it, but honestly I haven't been impressed enough with it to put up with the downsides.

It's only been a couple days, but I haven't seen looping issues with 3.8 so far, compared to 3.6 which did occasionally have this problem.