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andsoitis 3 hours ago

> We’re not revealing the titles of the books included in the shipment we tracked, but they are rare, meaning there are not many copies of them in circulation. Sometimes that’s because not many copies of them were ever printed, and sometimes because they are in a foreign language not many people speak.

Not even the title of one of those rare books?

ropbear 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The seller agreed to put an Apple AirTag provided by 404 Media in one of the books included in this order so we could see where the book was going. And by extension, which company, AI or otherwise, was behind this massive order.

It would seem the redaction of the rare titles is a way to avoid de-anonymization and subsequent harm to the business of the seller who agreed to place a tracker in one of the books. That being said, maybe they could have chosen a better methodology which would have allowed the disclosure of the title, although ultimately I’m not sure the title matters too much outside of their claim they were “rare”.

andsoitis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The issue is if rare is simply "not many in circulation", that's very very different from rare being "it is a unique artifact". The former kind of rarity doesn't really present an existential end, whereas the latter does.

brookst 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes this is disingenuous to the extreme.

My neighbor self-published a book, printed I think 100 copies at his own expense. It's literally a rare book. I can't imagine he nor anyone would care if an AI company bought a copy, no matter what they did with it.

Maybe these "rare books" are first edition Mark Twains, and. maybe they're unwanted books that would otherwise have gone to be pulped. The distinction is important and by not giving any evidence or even a qualitative claim about the types of books, 404 media is being pretty weak here.

throw1234567891 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Makes you wonder how many packets with rare books.containing airtags said recipient receives. My guess is: one so far.

jrimbault 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And even then, the "rare" qualifier is not needed here. What Amazon/LLM companies are doing is amoral. This is intellectual piracy (not in the "copyright infringement" sense) at the highest level. Stealing and centralizing the accumulation of human knowledge to eventually rob us all and put all power into the hands in the hands of a handful of people, who are not benevolent.

andsoitis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In what way is this stealing?

The rare qualifier is used precisely because no reasonable person thinks this is stealing.

metabagel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://jskfellows.stanford.edu/theft-is-not-fair-use-474e11...

https://styleblueprint.com/everyday/the-quiet-theft-ai-steal...

faidit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The rare qualifier is used to highlight the destruction of rare items.

It is still stealing even if the book is common.

andsoitis 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

How is it stealing if they paid for it?

x______________ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Hoarding.

Nothing good comes from hoarding whether it being toilet paper, money or knowledge.

andsoitis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Hoarding.

No reasonable person thinks buying 1 of something is "hoarding".

100721 an hour ago | parent [-]

What about 1 of everything?

rcxdude an hour ago | parent [-]

Isn't that usually called "collecting"?

plpbs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As I understand it, "rare" in this context could mean anything—even a washing machine manual from the 1980s...

Finnucane an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't really matter. The article suggests that they are selecting and tracking books by ISBN, which means: books that have been published or at least reprinted in the last 50 years or so. And they are trying to get as much of that set as they can, regardless of quantity, quality, or any other consideration. Which means that older books printed before ISBNs became common may be relatively safe, at least from Amazon. And some books just don't come up on the used market very often.

(small historical irony: when Amazon first started selling books, they used the Books in Print database, which included a lot of books not actually in print.)