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gymbeaux 3 hours ago

What would happen to Nvidia, Anthropic, OpenAI, if tomorrow someone released an open weights model on HuggingFace that matched performance and accuracy of Opus 5 running locally on an RTX 5070? That won’t happen tomorrow, but it will likely happen someday… what’s the plan beyond “don’t be the one holding the bags?”

jkahrs595 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Workloads will inflate just as they have been. Remember when llm assisted development used to be good only for a function, then a whole file, then a handful of files, then a code base, then a full stack, etc etc etc.

People will claim to have “enough” even though they already have the equivalent of last years capabilities locally.

jimbo808 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s no reason to assume frontier-level intelligence eventually collapses all the way onto a midrange consumer GPU. In fact, there are quite a few reasons not to assume that (information-theoretic constraints, etc).

christophilus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

But, it could happen for a coding-focused model, or an accounting-focused model, etc. most tasks only need a subset of the total model to be done effectively.

fooker 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

There's no information theoretic constraint we know of that prevents this. You will almost surely win a Turing award if you can prove this.

It's almost a given that whatever is frontier intelligence today will run on a potato in a few years.

jimbo808 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Kinda silly to follow your “prove it” challenge with an absurd claim you most certainly cannot prove, much less support with evidence.

fooker 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It was not a "prove it" challenge.

I'm pointing out that there's no known information theoretic constraint about the impossibility of frontier AI models being improved to fit/run on a small GPU.

Please do not make up plausible sounding science facts.

amazingamazing 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I will not claim a 5070, but there is already evidence in nature that you can get very good general intelligence with an order of magnitude less wattage.

There are constraints of course- training takes way longer.

notatoad 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

probably not all that much... the market would dip, just like every time a new open weights model gets announced. but hundreds of millions of people aren't going to immediately self-hosting their own models.

the biggest winner in that scenario would be ai providers, who suddenly have a capable model that they can serve much more efficiently. and the incumbents have a whole lot of compute. wouldn't anthropic and openAI just start offering that open weights model at prices that nobody else could compete with?

zhivota 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

They could but then their valuation is no longer justifiable, which breaks a lot of things downstream (loans being the biggie). They'd rather lose money than start making money in a non defensible way.

fooker an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> on an RTX 5070

RTX 5070 prices go up ~N times. Nvidia makes more money because it's easier to make these things than it's to make a GB300.

ColdStream 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those companies will be quick to copy the tech, inference cost would plummet and there is a greater chance that these companies could make it to solvency. At least in the short term. Long term it might not be so great as consume hardware catches up.

lisplist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you could run Opus 5 on a 5070 then the labs must have achieved RSI at that point

martinald 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nothing would really change IMO? 99% of users don't have anything like a RTX5070 (mobile especially).

Even if it did, it still doesn't make much economic sense running a model locally vs on a datacentre.

For example, I managed to just about squeeze a Q2 quant of Qwen 3.7 27b on my 9070XT. I get around 60tps decode (slightly faster prefill). _but_ it uses 300W of power to do so. At UK electricity rates of 30c/kWh this works out at something like 42c/MTok. I can get far far better models on openrouter cheaper than that, plus I'm not horrendously constrained on context length.

protocolture 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I dunno a lot of things said about AI economics sound like an IBM executive making reassuring statements about their terminal/mainframe business before the personal computer took off.

Like even if you run it in a datacenter in this scenario, you could do it on a cheap GPU instance in Azure, you still wouldnt need OpenAI or Anthropic specific clouds.

>uses 300W of power to do so.

There are plenty of people with phat electricity pipes in their on prem server rooms that have been vacated for cloud. Companies who want the benefits of AI but dont want the risk of sending their data to foreign API endpoints.

nl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It seems very very unlikely that an Opus 5 matching local model that runs on a 5070 will be released within the next 5 years (I don't want to say "ever").

If it does happen then NVidia will sell a lot of 5070s though!

milkshakes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

inference is the cheap part; training is expensive. what compute infrastructure would train this mythical magic model?

ElProlactin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly. If OpenAI and Anthropic didn't have to train new models, they'd (probably) be instantly profitable and with good margins.

drivebyhooting 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Inference time scaling means whoever had the most compute has the highest intelligence model.

d_sem 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I guess I'd like to understand the technical reasoning on how you think an how an Opus 5 could over time fit on an RTX 5070.