> but with open router you can create a no China provider selector

why on earth would you trust no data is sent to China? just because you clicked a toggle?

dghlsakjg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Openrouter is very transparent about where your requests are going. Every single one is logged.

You decide the routing if you want.

I trust it because there are at least 7 billion on the line. If it came out that they were violating their contract and sending company secrets to China when they promised they won’t, they would lose literal billions for basically no gain, and possible criminal charges.

Why on earth would you think they are sending data to China after you click that toggle when they have every reason not to?

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lxgr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

By that logic, how can you trust OpenAI and Anthropic not to do the same?

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gruez 4 hours ago | parent [-]

For one, openai and anthropic are the top two AI labs and therefore have some reputation at stake. Openrouter is like aliexpress. Any fly-by night vendor can get listed on there.

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nozzlegear 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The Chinese providers also have reputations at stake

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SoftTalker an hour ago | parent [-]

Not all reputations are equal.

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nozzlegear 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Good point, the American labs have an awful reputation, and public sentiment is so low it might as well be negative. Plus they've already broken our trust by scraping and stealing everyone's intellectual property to begin with, so they have a lot of catching up to do in terms of reputation and trust.

	▲	gruez 2 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>Good point, the American labs have an awful reputation ... Reddit/bluesky users seething at anthropic/openai doesn't matter, because they're not the one making the purchasing decisions for AI. Moreover all the complaints you mentioned applies to chinese AI labs as well, with the extra issue that they're beholden to the CCP. Taking the side of chinese ai labs because they're the competitors of american labs is "enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic, which is just dumb, similar to all the people who (rightfully) hates the US, but then applies that logic too far and thinks China/Russia is therefore better.