What enterprises pay for is all that matters. They pay insane amounts for a lot of things I would never do personally, but I'm not the target demographic in those cases.

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orangecat 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right, and it's often very sane. If you're paying $250k/year for a software engineer, it likely makes sense to have them spend $10k/year on tokens from the best available model rather than trying to save a few thousand with random Chinese models that may or may not be good enough.

	▲	KronisLV an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> If you're paying $250k/year for a software engineer, it likely makes sense to have them spend $10k/year Would be nice. I feel like the more you go towards the 3rd world (or tbh anywhere not in the US), the more this calculus shifts, probably all the way to underspecced workstations, no IDE licenses (e.g. JetBrains) and also no investment into tokens or whatever. Also, 10k USD per year seems a bit low, I'm not tokenmaxxing but my non-subscription usage equivalent would be around 3000-6000 USD per month, though obviously with models like Kimi K3 and GLM 5.3 it would be way more sensible compared to Anthropic.

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dmix 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Chinese companies will need to pay their bills eventually too.

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nicce 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The Chinese companies will need to pay their bills eventually too.

What bills? Deepseek has been profitable for long time.

	▲	dmix 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Do you have a source I can read? All I see on Google are random blog posts mostly debunking that idea. Profit margins on API tokens isn't the same as running a profitable long term business, or bringing returns on the large amount of funding they got.

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XorNot 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Their purchasing costs are much lower proportionally.

China has cheaper electricity and a more capable grid for the industrial type usage levels they need to drive.

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gpt5 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Data centers don't really cost less in China. Perhaps even more due to trade restrictions and the difficulty of smuggling the chips in.

Electricity is a small part of the bill.

	▲	KronisLV an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> difficulty of smuggling the chips in I wonder how long it'll be until they won't need to do that due to domestic options.

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formvoltron 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Wouldn't enterprises rather run their own models locally?

	▲	4d4m 9 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		While not today, very soon every company, of every complexity will run local models. It's not in a companies interest to hand over its domain expertise, data, and proprietary IP for a increase in productivity. Most will quickly realize it makes sense to run their own weights. This will be commonplace once tooling and training infrastructure is commoditized.
	▲	yen223 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Enterprises don't even want to self-host webservers, and those are about a thousand times easier to do than self-hosting an AI model